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View Poll Results: What Does Your Church Serve With The Lord's Supper?
Wine 26 29.55%
Grape Juice 30 34.09%
Both Wine and Grape Juice 30 34.09%
Other (grapefruit juice, 7-Up, water) 2 2.27%
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Wine Or Grape Juice Or Both?

What does your church serve with the Lord's Supper?

BTW, I am using the word 'wine' as it is used in the Bible. A drink that is made of grapes that has the potential for intoxication.
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Both. I drink wine.
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Both. Fermented Wine and Grape Juice for those whose conscious will not allow Fermented Wine (also for those with Alcoholic issues).
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We serve both: grape-juice for reasons of conscience or substance abuse issues and wine.

Wine in the middle of the tray- also a little different color...
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My view would be, and this is the view of many Reformed leaning Anglicans, the Lord's supper with grape juice rather then wine would be valid but irregular.

Likewise theLord's supper with leavened bread rather then unleavened would be valid but irregular.

It would also be interesting to know how many congregations use a common cup and how many use individual cups.
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On the first Lord's Day morning of the month, we have both (wine and juice) in little cups and stay in our pews.

On the third Lord's Day evening of the month, we have one cup (wine) seated around a table.
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It would also be interesting to know how many congregations use a common cup and how many use individual cups.
We use a common cup: another reason for me to abstain (per previous threads, which I've no desire at all to revisit). With pre-1992, transfusion-related hepatitis C and a moderate viral load that's gone into cirrhosis, I would be absolutely horrified if I passed this miserable malady along to anyone else. Could happen.

The estimation now is that one out of every 70-80 people in this country now has hep. C. Something to think about.

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On the first Lord's Day morning of the month, we have both (wine and juice) in little cups and stay in our pews.

On the third Lord's Day evening of the month, we have one cup (wine) seated around a table.
Interesting. What is your reasoning for this alternation?

I think the evening method is the biblical one, but our church does not have the wherewithall to do it.

We also serve both wine and white grape juice, with the grape juice cups set in the interior of the server ring plate. Thus wine cups outnumber grape juice cups about 10 to 1.

The wine we use is a sweet wine that we have imported from Israel. I cannot think of the name of it, but it is a very good wine, not dry and palatable for pretty much everyone.
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Interesting. What is your reasoning for this alternation?

I think the evening method is the biblical one, but our church does not have the wherewithall to do it.
Unfortunately, the evening service has less people that attend, so practically, we are able to have the Supper with a single table. It really wouldn't be possible in the morning (it is a small chapel with little room for tables). A year or so ago the 3rd Lord's Day evening Supper was added while retaining the original practice for the 1st Lord's Day morning. It is a bit irregular to have two different practices, but at the moment I think it's the wisest choice for the congregation -- and it allows anyone who would like to partake in the Supper twice a month to do so.
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Are there any records of what the old Reformed Churches may have done in case of those with sensitive conscience or possible physical malady restrictions?
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Are there any records of what the old Reformed Churches may have done in case of those with sensitive conscience or possible physical malady restrictions?
Was there such a thing as a 'sensitive conscience' before prohibition?
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Are there any records of what the old Reformed Churches may have done in case of those with sensitive conscience or possible physical malady restrictions?
Was there such a thing as a 'sensitive conscience' before prohibition?
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Are there any records of what the old Reformed Churches may have done in case of those with sensitive conscience or possible physical malady restrictions?
Was there such a thing as a 'sensitive conscience' before prohibition?
That was one reason for my asking.
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I'm not so sure that the sensitive conscience thing can be so easily settled. After all, drunkenness most certainly did exist before Prohibition. And someone's conscience might be very tender on a topic like that even before Prohibition. That is demonstrated by my own church. We are long after Prohibition, and most people in my church don't even know about it. It simply isn't a factor, except through some kind of remembered consciousness that is inter-generational. Nevertheless, one of the churches I serve is militantly against wine in communion because of drunkenness problems in the church. In fact, they are not even open to talking about the biblical position, and what Jesus did. Prohibition is not the main reason for it. The reason is that they want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Sometimes it is amazing to me how closed to the truth of the Word some people can be.

But, as AA itself says, if an alcoholic is strongly tempted to go back to alcoholism because of one thimble-full of wine, they were going to fall anyway.
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Wine only, in individual cups

As an interesting aside, in addition to common bread, we provide gluten free bread for the ones with celiacs disease amongst us...

So the similar accommodation argument could be used for an alternate to wine, it just has not come up, to my knowledge...
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Wine and grape juice. Two separate goblets, one loaf, by intinction.

Until a couple of months ago, it was wine only. A few people approached us (the elders) with the "what if the wine causes an alcoholic to struggle" question and our answer was that when someone approached us with more than just a hypothetical "what if", then we'd introduce grape juice. Well, that finally happened, and the next week, the grape juice was there. It's funny, because after it was introduced, the split between those that partake in the wine and those that partake in the grape juice is unexpectedly about 50/50.
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We use grape juice only. I would like to switch to wine but it's a matter of incremental change in our church.
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I'm not so sure that the sensitive conscience thing can be so easily settled. After all, drunkenness most certainly did exist before Prohibition. And someone's conscience might be very tender on a topic like that even before Prohibition. That is demonstrated by my own church. We are long after Prohibition, and most people in my church don't even know about it. It simply isn't a factor, except through some kind of remembered consciousness that is inter-generational. Nevertheless, one of the churches I serve is militantly against wine in communion because of drunkenness problems in the church. In fact, they are not even open to talking about the biblical position, and what Jesus did. Prohibition is not the main reason for it. The reason is that they want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Sometimes it is amazing to me how closed to the truth of the Word some people can be.

But, as AA itself says, if an alcoholic is strongly tempted to go back to alcoholism because of one thimble-full of wine, they were going to fall anyway.
The temperance movement brought us Dr. Welch. Dr. Welch brought us grape juice. If there had been no temperance movement there would be no grape juice. In that regard, the only reason people would insist on grape juice is because of the temperance movement. I don't think anyone began to object with 'sensitive consciences' until the existence of grape juice. I could be wrong, however.
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