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    Are we to pray the Lord's Prayer in Public Worship (according to the RPW)?

    Is the Lord's Prayer to be (or can it be) prayed during Public Worship? Does this fall in line with the RPW?
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    The Westminster Directory of Public Worship States:

    And because the prayer which Christ taught his disciples is not only a pattern of prayer, but itself a most comprehensive prayer, we recommend it also to be used in the prayers of the church.

    My own understanding (and preference) would be that it should be used on occasion and not every week as it would become too repetitive. I voted "other" for that reason.
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    Yes, we may. It certainly falls in line with the RPW.
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    How absurd a tenet is this, which holdeth that there is some particular worship of God allowed, and not commanded? What new light is this which maketh all our divines to have been in the mist, who have acknowledged no worship of God, but that which God hath commanded? Who ever heard of commanded and allowed worship?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Romans922 View Post
    Is the Lord's Prayer to be (or can it be) prayed during Public Worship? Does this fall in line with the RPW?
    Matthew 6 is the exegetical basis for the Lord's prayer being a pattern for prayer, whereas Luke 11:2 gives us the exegetical basis for praying it as a prayer...

    So He said to them, "When you pray, say: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven...

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    I agree with Josh. We certainly can pray the Lord's Prayer in worship. But we shouldn't make that mandatory. What I do in Sunday morning worship is conclude the pastoral prayer with a unison Lord's Prayer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenbaggins View Post
    I agree with Josh. We certainly can pray the Lord's Prayer in worship. But we shouldn't make that mandatory. What I do in Sunday morning worship is conclude the pastoral prayer with a unison Lord's Prayer.
    This is what we do as well at CCRPC.
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    How absurd a tenet is this, which holdeth that there is some particular worship of God allowed, and not commanded? What new light is this which maketh all our divines to have been in the mist, who have acknowledged no worship of God, but that which God hath commanded? Who ever heard of commanded and allowed worship?
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenbaggins View Post
    I agree with Josh. We certainly can pray the Lord's Prayer in worship. But we shouldn't make that mandatory. What I do in Sunday morning worship is conclude the pastoral prayer with a unison Lord's Prayer.
    What do you mean "shouldn't make it mandatory"? If it's in the liturgy shouldn't each worshiper participate? Why put it in the liturgy if not?

    Maybe I'm misunderstanding you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reepicheep View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by greenbaggins View Post
    I agree with Josh. We certainly can pray the Lord's Prayer in worship. But we shouldn't make that mandatory. What I do in Sunday morning worship is conclude the pastoral prayer with a unison Lord's Prayer.
    What do you mean "shouldn't make it mandatory"? If it's in the liturgy shouldn't each worshiper participate? Why put it in the liturgy if not?

    Maybe I'm misunderstanding you.
    I believe that he means that it shouldn't be mandatory that it be in the liturgy.
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    We do in our church worship. I'm a little confused tho. If something is apart of the RPW, why isn't it mandatory? If it isn't apart of the RPW, then it shouldn't be done. It was my understanding that we are not to put anything in worship that isn't specifically commanded to be there nor are we to leave out anything specifically commanded to be put in there....I thought that was the RPW.
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    God has commanded that we pray in worship. He has not commanded that we use the Lord's Prayer every Sunday. Everyone should participate in prayer, even if only the pastor is praying out loud. Josh understood me correctly. All I am saying is that Jesus said that we should pray like this (the Lord's Prayer). He didn't say that we are limited only to these particular words in prayer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenbaggins View Post
    I agree with Josh. We certainly can pray the Lord's Prayer in worship. But we shouldn't make that mandatory. What I do in Sunday morning worship is conclude the pastoral prayer with a unison Lord's Prayer.
    This is also what I do as well.
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    The Lord's Prayer is a direct quote from the Bible. WHY wouldn't you pray it every Sunday??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by greenbaggins View Post
    I agree with Josh. We certainly can pray the Lord's Prayer in worship. But we shouldn't make that mandatory. What I do in Sunday morning worship is conclude the pastoral prayer with a unison Lord's Prayer.
    This is what we do as well at CCRPC.
    We also follow this pattern.
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