How about

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Greg Carpenter
Attending Lake Osborne Presbyterian Church
Lake Worth, FL

"It is a throne of grace that God in Christ is represented to us upon; but yet it is a throne still whereon majesty and glory do reside, and God is always to be considered by us as on a throne." –John Owen

Very good book!

I recommend reading this book if you would like to undertand the RPW.

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John
Member
Christ Presbyterian Church (OPC)
Salt Lake City, Utah
www.christpres.net

I thought it was ok. The authors are both ruling elders in the OPC and the chapters are adapted from Sunday School lessons that they gave. The book does a good job describing the type of worship the authors advocate and includes some helpful criticisms of John Frame's redefinition of the RPW and contemporary worship in general. But honestly I was left wanting more, especially more scriptural support for their positions. But it could be that if I picked up the book today that I would come away with a higher view of it than I have now.

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Christian
One Pilgrims Progress

I thought that the authors were Nevinites and this impacted their view of worship? Or was I thinking of someone else?

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Ruben
Moderator
F.P.C.I.
Indiana

Vanities and disguises have covered us, and thereby we are naked; licenciousness hath inflam'd us, and thereby we are frozen; voluptuousness hath fed us, and thereby we are sterved, the fancies and traditions of men have taught and instructed us, and thereby we are ignorant.
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Hart did write a biography of Nevin that I understand portrayed him in a largely positive light.

Who are the Nevinites? And what are their views on worship?

Try this link for some interesting information. There was a thread on Nevin some time ago where his credentials as a historian were called in question. Or this post may also be helpful.

This article enters into some problems with Nevin's theology (and modern defenses of it) in more detail, although not really addressing the topic of worship.

They certainly do not advocate the standard Reformed view and instead merge elements where they should be distinct.

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Richard
CofE
UK

Hmmm, I thought it was supposed to be a good intro to RPW. Where do they go wrong and how is the standard reformed view different?

CT

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Hermonta Godwin
Christ The King PCA
Raleigh, NC

I haven't my copy to hand. From memory there is the merging of prayer and praise instead of retaining them as distinct elements....but don't quote me on that.

BTW the book in question advocates worship that will be a little "high church" for some who will go running from any mention of liturgy, but I don't think it advocates or "Nevinite" worship. Dr. Hart has advocated for set forms of prayer in other works but IIRC that isn't advocated in this book. Ruben, is it possible that you were thinking about Jeff Myers' book on Covenant Renewal Worship?

I read recently that Nevin favored altars. Is that correct?

It's a very good book in a lot of ways. They don't advocate EP and they seem to suggest in places that it's a peculiar Scots practice. Darryl and John are both friends and I recommend this book but I disagree with their reading of the history of worship. In my survey (in Recovering - Nov 08, Dv) I class this work with the conservatives who respect the RPW but who do not call for conformity to it's historic understanding and practice.

No, John and Darryl are not "Nevintes." DG's book on Nevin is quite good, though he may have made Nevin a little bit more of a confessionalist than he was. Hart is not advocating the "Mercersburg Theology," whatever the pro-FV boys might want us to think.

rsc

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R. Scott Clark, D.Phil
Professor of Church History and Historical Theology

"For Christ, His Gospel, and His Church"
Associate Pastor
Oceanside URC
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It's been a few years since I read it, but I thought it was helpful, especially for leaders in your church. With our constant battles against man-centered worship, it is a good read.

Bill

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William G. Moore, Pastor
Carolina Commentary
Cornerstone Baptist Church
Clinton, SC

We read this book for my Worship class at RPTS. Good book. Dr. Clark hit the nail on the head.

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Benjamin P. Glaser, M. Div
Licentiate Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church

Member: Fairmount ARP Church Pittsburgh, PA
Attending: Looking for a Reformed church in North Central WV
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