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Prior to the psalms what did the Church sing?

Prior to the psalms being written what did the Church in the OT sing?
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Hymns and Spiritual Songs?

Good question
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I am not convinced that the Church (the worshipping assembly of saints) sang anything prior to the Davidic establishment. The only instances we have of song are prophetic utterance (Deborah, Judges 5.3) Civil rejoicing (Numbers 21.17; Exodus 15.1, 21) and revelry (Exodus 32.8). There is not any inspired record of worship song prior to David.
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Isn't that like asking, "Prior to the Scriptures being written what did they read?"
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I am not convinced that the Church (the worshipping assembly of saints) sang anything prior to the Davidic establishment. The only instances we have of song are prophetic utterance (Deborah, Judges 5.3) Civil rejoicing (Numbers 21.17; Exodus 15.1, 21) and revelry (Exodus 32.8). There is not any inspired record of worship song prior to David.
Thanks, that is the position I am leaning to. When would you say that the Egyptian Hallel came into being and came to be linked with the Passover?

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Isn't that like asking, "Prior to the Scriptures being written what did they read?"
Not in my estimation.
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Prior to the building of the Temple by Solomon was singing a part of the worship? The book of Leviticus deals with sacrifice and behaviour. By the time of the Temple there would have been the Davidic Psalms as well as those collected from the sons of Korah, Asaph etc. The first mention of singing is Laban who claims he would have sent Jacob off with joy and songs (Gen 31.27) The first recorded song to the Lord would be that in Ex 15 which the Israelites sung after passing through the Red Sea and the destruction of Pharaoh's army. The next time singing is mentioned is during the worship of the golden calf in Ex 32.18.

Whatever the 'Book of the wars of the Lord' was (Nu 21.14) the song in v17-18 may have come form it. Perhaps that was their "hymnbook"? Deborah's song is Judges 5 is the next recorded song and as the lyrics are in God's word we can only assume God inspired them to sing these words.

David appointed singers (1 Chro 15.16,23) when brining the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem. Perhaps they sang some of David's Psalms?

However any suggestion as to what the Israelites sung prior to the Psalms being written is mere speculation. Perhaps he did inspire people to sing from their hearts an appreciation of God's own greatness, majesty and works.
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Pastor Steven Dilday's sermon series on the the History of the Service of Song may be of interest.
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Just to add, we see in the time of Saul that there were singers:

"And other of their brethren, of the sons of the Kohathites, were over the shewbread, to prepare it every sabbath.

And these are the singers, chief of the fathers of the Levites, who remaining in the chambers were free: for they were employed in that work day and night."

1st Chron. 9:32-33
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From Edersheim: The Temple, its Ministry and Services:

The singing of the 'Hallel' at the Passover dates from very remote antiquity. The Talmud dwells on its peculiar suitableness for the purpose, since it not only recorded the goodness of God towards Israel, but especially their deliverance from Egypt, and therefore appropriately opened (Psa 113) with 'Praise ye Jehovah, ye servants of Jehovah'--and no longer of Pharaoh. Hence also this 'Hallel' is called the Egyptian, or 'the Common,' to distinguish it from the great 'Hallel,' sung on very rare occasions, which comprised Psalms 120 to 136. According to the Talmud, the 'Hallel' recorded five things: 'The coming out of Egypt, the dividing of the sea, the giving of the law, the resurrection of the dead, and the lot of the Messiah.' The Egyptian 'Hallel,' it may here be added, was altogether sung on eighteen days and on one night in the year. These eighteen days were, that of the Passover sacrifice, the Feast of Pentecost, and each of the eight days of the Feasts of Tabernacles and of the Dedication of the Temple. The only night in which it was recited was that of the Paschal Supper, when it was sung by every Paschal company in their houses, in a manner which will hereafter be explained.

Edersheim, in the rest of his works, does not mention the use of the Hallel before the Levitical choirs of the Davidic establishment.
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