Acts 19:23-41 23 And about that time there arose a great commotion about the Way. 24 For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, who made silver shrines of Diana, brought no small profit to the craftsmen. 25 He called them together with the workers of similar occupation, and said: "Men, you know that we have our prosperity by this trade. 26 "Moreover you see and hear that not only at Ephesus, but throughout almost all Asia, this Paul has persuaded and turned away many people, saying that they are not gods which are made with hands. 27 "So not only is this trade of ours in danger of falling into disrepute, but also the temple of the great goddess Diana may be despised and her magnificence destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worship." 28 Now when they heard this, they were full of wrath and cried out, saying, "Great is Diana of the Ephesians!" 29 So the whole city was filled with confusion, and rushed into the theater with one accord, having seized Gaius and Aristarchus, Macedonians, Paul's travel companions. 30 And when Paul wanted to go in to the people, the disciples would not allow him. 31 Then some of the officials of Asia, who were his friends, sent to him pleading that he would not venture into the theater. 32 Some therefore cried one thing and some another, for the assembly was confused, and most of them did not know why they had come together. 33 And they drew Alexander out of the multitude, the Jews putting him forward. And Alexander motioned with his hand, and wanted to make his defense to the people. 34 But when they found out that he was a Jew, all with one voice cried out for about two hours, "Great is Diana of the Ephesians!"
"... Of such also, or of those who make a credible profession of being such, all those particular churches consist, which constitute our Lord's visible kingdom. ... Consequently, all the subjects of His government must have spiritual dispositions, , and yield spiritual obedience- obedience proceeding from an enlightened understanding, an awakened conscience, and a renewed heart."- Abraham Booth 1788
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__________________ Toni Cunningham, Wife of Bill (Theognome)
Parkwoods OPC, Overland Park KS "Vice is a monster of so frightful mien, As, to be hated, needs but to be seen; Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face, We first endure, then pity, then embrace." ~ Alexander Pope
It's sad that the heart of these people is so blinded they can still call this Christianity. It's also a humbling reminder of where we could be if God had not graciously opened our eyes to glory of his Son and the goodness of the gospel.
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Johnstown, CO
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Just when you think you have seen it all, there is always something even worse that comes along. I am now at the stage where absolutely nothing surprises me any more. It may call itself a church but then I think the NT might have a job recognising it as such.
Calling this a church reminds me of Alice Through the Looking Glass. 'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'
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Elder, Lambeg Baptist, Northern Ireland, UK
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And look at some of the titles for their "ministers": Meet the Staff
What is minister of embodyment? Granted, I know it's not biblical in the first place, but what does it even mean?
I don't think it has to have a meaning in that place.
Theognome
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Covenant Reformed Church, URC
Kansas City
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Once again I must ask, "Are we really surprised when pagans behave as pagans?"
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I think their goal and "mission" is to leave Christianity (in any form) behind in the dust. They won't even use the word woman because it's demeaning. They spell it wo/man.
I'll bet their razor blades are dull from Bible-cutting.
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IA PCA
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You bunch of legalistic Pharisees! At least these folks aren't out on the street doin' drugs and murderin' people. How dare any of you question their sincere acts of will worship!
Bunch of legalists!
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I think we need a study committee to see if this is appropriate or not.
I agree. We need action. More importantly, we need solutions. I propose that we form a committee to study why we don't already know whether this is appropriate and to investigate why these forms of worship are occurring.
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A pastor friend of mine used to call SF "Corinth on the Bay". Using a 'church' as a platform for feminist-thought, executed by means of the New Age movement does little to render that designation inappropriate. May God raise up and strengthen faithful churches in such areas to shine as a beacon in the darkness.
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Pastoral Ministry Apprentice--Grace Church of Dupage
Student--Midwest Center for Theological Studies
Illinois; 1689 LBCF But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God. Acts 20:24
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and who in their right mind would go to a purple church as a congregant in the first place???
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Church of Scotland (Presbyterian)
Paisley, Scotland Ephesians 1:4-5
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Folks, let's do remember that these discussions are public: try to keep the sarcastic rhetoric and less than gracious speech at bay. We all realize that these practices are blasphemous; but let's be sure that we also show forth a good manner of conversation to the gentiles.
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Paul Korte
OPC
Flint, MI
They who perceive in themselves discoveries of the divine goodness, so full and absolutely perfect, and who make them the subject of earnest meditation, will never embrace new doctrines, by which the very grace they feel so powerfully in themselves is thrown into the shade. --John Calvin
Folks, let's do remember that these discussions are public: try to keep the sarcastic rhetoric and less than gracious speech at bay. We all realize that these practices are blasphemous; but let's be sure that we also show forth a good manner of conversation to the gentiles.
I'm glad you said this. I was thinking about expressing my mind and did not consider that this forum is public. This is so sick.
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Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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Salt Lake City, Utah www.christpres.net
What you mean that you don't have a Minister of Embodyment in your congregation???
ELCA ranges from the tolerably orthodox to the new age fringe. The current head of my former denomination (just confirmed in a third 4 year term) has a wife who is an ELCA pastor (even in the running for bishop of her judicatory a few years back). She was a signatory to the Clergy Letter Project in praise of Darwin a few years back as well. In my experience, ELCA is as broad a category as any of the other mainline denominations. All seven are officially pro-feminist, however. So, it is not too surprising that more radical strands of "womynist" theology would work their way into the local practice.
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Atherton Baptist Homes, CEO
First Baptist Church of Alhambra, Member, Transformation Ministries (CA)
Folks, let's do remember that these discussions are public: try to keep the sarcastic rhetoric and less than gracious speech at bay. We all realize that these practices are blasphemous; but let's be sure that we also show forth a good manner of conversation to the gentiles.
Thank you for this. It is entirely too easy for me to fall into pride-driven sarcasm. I apologize to all, as my last comment was less than gracious.
Maybe they should have a guy boxer vs. a girl boxer fight there and see how their feminism holds up against MANLINESS
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