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07-03-2009, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Joshua You're all a bunch of Pharisees!
Here's this woman just worshipping God in her own way. So it's strange fire, so what? It's still fire! C'mon! You can tell by the wince on her face that she really means it. Plus, I'm sure it blesses those little kids' hearts, not to mentioned gives some hearty laughter to the adults.
Bunch of legalists!!! | It's hard being a white washed tomb sometimes. Sigh.
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This is what happens when the bible is not taken seriously. Although many confess it to be infallible, inspired etc, it holds no real significance in how they live their lives much less run churches and conduct worship.
The bible is clearly not sufficient as a rule or guide here. Whatever goes on the blank slate right? The sad thing is that the people I've spoken to regarding RPW are totally convinced in the justification of their position and have no regard for biblical truth. In fact I've just only been called a legalist today by a friend I was trying to introduce to the RPW. It is quite heart breaking to watch these kind of things go on in a church but as all signs point toward, its here to stay.
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07-03-2009, 06:22 PM
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Um Josh, you are kidding right? Right?
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07-03-2009, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jwithnell Um Josh, you are kidding right? Right? | Don't be ridiculous. Josh never kids. He engages in pointed satire.
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The first three words that came to my mind upon seeing that picture was what the sheol....?
and I thought that because this is probably the only place that such an idea could have come from.
Come quickly, Lord.
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This kind of thing makes me uncomfortbale but I went to the church's website and, in fairness to them, they have signed up to the Gafcon declaration, which is the sound element of worldwide Anglicanism.
This specific church uses the term "pastor" very loosely - the sound & lighting guy and the photography are also listed as pastor (with virtually everyone else on the staff team), as listed on the ministry team pastors links. The church's mission statement is pretty reasonable as Anglican churches go: HopePointe Church- The Woodlands, Texas
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Originally Posted by jonmo This kind of thing makes me uncomfortbale but I went to the church's website and, in fairness to them, they have signed up to the Gafcon declaration, which is the sound element of worldwide Anglicanism.
This specific church uses the term "pastor" very loosely - the sound & lighting guy and the photography are also listed as pastor (with virtually everyone else on the staff team), as listed on the ministry team pastors links. The church's mission statement is pretty reasonable as Anglican churches go: HopePointe Church- The Woodlands, Texas | Their mission statement may be relatively sound (compared to other Anglican churches, which isn't saying much) but as they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. What we see in that picture and the caption associated with it is evidence of a blatant denial of their actual commitment to several of the points listed in their mission statement.
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Yes, well I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt in the absence of having ever set foot in the church or met anyone who has. The crazy parable prophetness would do my head in and I couldn't listen that every week but the general belief statement of the particular congregation here appears to be reasonable.
And while we are on the subject of Anglican churches, there are hundreds of sound Anglican churches in the UK, Australia, Africa and elsewhere, so let's not dismiss them carte blanche. I know several Anglican churches in London with many reformed folks in them. You can argue whether or not John Stott was right or wrong to tell evangelicals to stay in the Church of England, but let's not dismiss the entire denomination.
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Um Josh, you are kidding right? Right?
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Originally Posted by christusregnat So, I envision this in N Ca presby some time soon. One ... Ehem... Church had a Beavis and ******** "worship" service a few years back in our presby... | Wha?!?!?!? | Are you upset that they deleted daehttuB's name from my post?
Indeed. This actually happened. I think the (former) pastor left the church after being convicted of adultery (not that the one necessarily caused the other, since the one form of adultery was far more serious; I mean the kind against God); I can get the whole story if you're interested. Suffice it to say N Ca has had some problems in the past, but there are some good things happening as well.
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Originally Posted by jonmo Yes, well I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt in the absence of having ever set foot in the church or met anyone who has. The crazy parable prophetness would do my head in and I couldn't listen that every week but the general belief statement of the particular congregation here appears to be reasonable. | Again, though, the fact that that church has the belief statement it does is rather meaningless, given their demonstrated practices. The words have no weight when many of them are denied in what we observe. It isn't as though this woman is some anomaly - she's an officially recognized deacon in the church, and seems from what is described to be a regular part of their worship services. Hence a number of their statements of belief are denied explicitly from the get-go - and we haven't even explored what is taught from the pulpit.
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