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    I am apostating from Firefox

    Firefox, while having neat gadgetry, crashed too often.** I have now gone with the new and improved IE.* If anyone knows a better alternate, I am listening.
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    Opera

    It is better then IE and does not crash as much as Firefox... It is a great great program.......

    On the issue of apostatizing from computer programs, I am thinking of apostatizing from Windows AGAIN and going with a newer version of Linux, maybe Dabian, maybe something else....
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    I'm wondering what is causing FireFox to crash? In my experience it's been far more stable than IE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spear Dane View Post
    Firefox, while having neat gadgetry, crashed too often.** I have now gone with the new and improved IE.* If anyone knows a better alternate, I am listening.
    You might want to try Firefox 3 - or wait until it comes out of beta. It is supposed to be better, use less memory, etc,
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    I too became Apostate with the Safari 3. Little sleeker, little better than, FF in my mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spear Dane View Post
    Firefox, while having neat gadgetry, crashed too often.** I have now gone with the new and improved IE.* If anyone knows a better alternate, I am listening.
    What operating system do you use? I recently bought a new laptop with Windows Vista and I have found that Firefox crashes a lot more than it used to with XP.
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    What operating system?

    Try Firefox without the gadgetry and it won't crash as often.

    If you use OS X, then go with this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StaunchPresbyterian View Post
    What operating system?

    Try Firefox without the gadgetry and it won't crash as often.

    If you use OS X, then go with this.
    Have to be honest Casey, with the improvements on the Safari 3 I do not see the need for Camino.
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    If you want to become more of an apostate, you can get a Mac with OS X 10.5, add Ubuntu to it, and download Flock for a web browser for either Ubuntu or Mac or both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by youthevang View Post
    If you want to become more of an apostate, you can get a Mac with OS X 10.5, add Ubuntu to it, and download Flock for a web browser for either Ubuntu or Mac or both.
    Windows XP was a solid platform. But Vista on my newest laptop has me contemplating the strange fire of Mac. I just wish that Libronix had its Mac version out already. With more than 3,500 books in the Libronix format on my machine, it is prohibitive for me to change yet.
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    I am apostating
    My eyes nearly popped out of my head when I saw those words ....then I read on
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    I have just recently rejected both windows and mac os. I am currently migrating to FreeBsd. FireFox works best for me with most sites, but I would like to run Dillo or Cheetah instead. They are both smaller and more streamlined than FireFox. Flock has a problem with amd64 systems, until that is worked out, I won't use it. Now if only this site was optimized for dillo...

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    Quote Originally Posted by etexas View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by StaunchPresbyterian View Post
    What operating system?

    Try Firefox without the gadgetry and it won't crash as often.

    If you use OS X, then go with this.
    Have to be honest Casey, with the improvements on the Safari 3 I do not see the need for Camino.
    Two reasons I use Camino:

    1. It uses the same rendering engine as Firefox, so web pages generally look right (haven't used Safari for a while, so I don't know how good it's doing in that category)

    2. I can't use the latest version of Safari anyway 'cause I've got Panther and Apple won't let me update for free

    Camino is fast, free, and very stable -- and open source.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StaunchPresbyterian View Post
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    What operating system?

    Try Firefox without the gadgetry and it won't crash as often.

    If you use OS X, then go with this.
    Have to be honest Casey, with the improvements on the Safari 3 I do not see the need for Camino.
    Two reasons I use Camino:

    1. It uses the same rendering engine as Firefox, so web pages generally look right (haven't used Safari for a while, so I don't know how good it's doing in that category)

    2. I can't use the latest version of Safari anyway 'cause I've got Panther and Apple won't let me update for free

    Camino is fast, free, and very stable -- and open source.
    Actually I woud agree FULLY with you in regard to the older Safari vs Camino, if you know someone with the newest Safari, ask if you can mess around on it, I think you would be pleased (frankly...I think they borrowed some ideas from FF)
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    Now I feel bold enough to confess too. I dumped Firefox months ago. I didn't use gadgets, but it kept crashing.

    I've tried all sorts of OSs, but I'm pretty much stuck with the Windows/Office complex because of people I deal with and where I live (home state of MS).

    Even our state has drunk the Koolaid. You could not conduct online business with the state unless you were running IE or Netscape. Safari, FF, Opera, etc., sorry, move to another state or use the mail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by victorbravo View Post
    Now I feel bold enough to confess too. I dumped Firefox months ago. I didn't use gadgets, but it kept crashing.

    I've tried all sorts of OSs, but I'm pretty much stuck with the Windows/Office complex because of people I deal with and where I live (home state of MS).

    Even our state has drunk the Koolaid. You could not conduct online business with the state unless you were running IE or Netscape. Safari, FF, Opera, etc., sorry, move to another state or use the mail.
    Ouch for FF!
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    It seems anything is worse off if you are using Vista.

    Unless you have 2G of ram you are pretty much doomed to problems.

    You can remove what they call "bloatware" that comes with Vista and get a little bit better performance.

    This year I am going to force myself to learn about open source options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by victorbravo View Post
    Now I feel bold enough to confess too. I dumped Firefox months ago. I didn't use gadgets, but it kept crashing.

    I've tried all sorts of OSs, but I'm pretty much stuck with the Windows/Office complex because of people I deal with and where I live (home state of MS).

    Even our state has drunk the Koolaid. You could not conduct online business with the state unless you were running IE or Netscape. Safari, FF, Opera, etc., sorry, move to another state or use the mail.
    Now that Netscape (Navigator) will no longer be supported after February, I wonder what will take its place?
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    I'm a Mac user, and while I use Firefox for some of it's tools, I still prefer Safari. They have a Windows version now, you can download it for free and give it a spin, I think you may be pleasantly surprised.

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    You're all going to (browser) Hell. Every one of you.
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    I've been running Firefox as my primary browser for the past three years and have never encountered crash problems.
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    As others have said, Opera is a rockin' browser. For basic web surfing, I think it's number one. It's a slim piece of software too. The only problem with it is that some sites aren't as compatible with it as you'd like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raekwon View Post
    You're all going to (browser) Hell. Every one of you.
    Where is Browser H**l anyway?
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    I use FireFox 2.0.0.x in both Windows and Ubuntu Linux. I think that it works better, even renders better, under Linux. I'm looking forward to the 3.x release. There aren't enough of my favorite extensions working in 3.x yet to move over. As to instabilities, they seem to be related to Adobe's Flash plug-in. Restarting Firefox periodically seems to help.

    I thought WinXP was OK for the most part, but Windows Updates would always break things, sometimes important things. Vista broke almost everything, so I decided not to undergo that punishment. I've officially had my fill of Micro$oft. A friend of mine has spent over $1,000 in software upgrades due to the Vista on his laptop. My move to Linux cost me $0 to attain parity with my extensive WinXP setup, and the quality is excellent. Gotta love Open Source.

    I like Firefox because using extensions, I can control all scripts, flash objects, cookies, pop-ups, redirects, and ads directly from the status bar on a site-by-site basis. I like that kind of flexibility and easy control. I don't know of another browser that can do that, but maybe I don't get out much anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BaptistInCrisis View Post
    I've been running Firefox as my primary browser for the past three years and have never encountered crash problems.
    Same here. Are you using Vista? I've been using Windows XP with no problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thunaer View Post
    Opera

    It is better then IE and does not crash as much as Firefox... It is a great great program.......

    On the issue of apostatizing from computer programs, I am thinking of apostatizing from Windows AGAIN and going with a newer version of Linux, maybe Dabian, maybe something else....
    Ubuntu....
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    I changed my mind. As bad as Firefox is (and it is bad), it is much better than IE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spear Dane View Post
    I changed my mind. As bad as Firefox is (and it is bad), it is much better than IE.
    You are fickle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by etexas View Post
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    I changed my mind. As bad as Firefox is (and it is bad), it is much better than IE.
    You are fickle.
    Not necessarily. IE really is that crappy, and it only takes 15 minutes after installing it to figure that out.
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    And as crappy as it is, I think that it actually got worse w/ IE 7.

    Unless disaster occurs, Firefox is it for me, as it has been for the last three years. I'd make the jump to Camino on my Mac if it supported FF extensions, but alas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toddpedlar View Post
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    I changed my mind. As bad as Firefox is (and it is bad), it is much better than IE.
    You are fickle.
    Not necessarily. IE really is that crappy, and it only takes 15 minutes after installing it to figure that out.
    LOl! I KNOW IE is a piece of junk but I use Safari 3 on my Mac, I just like "busting chops" on you PC folk!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
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    I've been running Firefox as my primary browser for the past three years and have never encountered crash problems.
    Same here. Are you using Vista? I've been using Windows XP with no problems.
    XP and now Vista. Firefox runs great. I only use IE to access my company intranet which will only work on IE. Other than that I am a Firefox man.
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    I guess I don't know what I've been missing. I've been using IE forever and never really had any problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reformedcop View Post
    I guess I don't know what I've been missing. I've been using IE forever and never really had any problems.
    Well, if you've been using IE forever than you've at least been missing tabbed browsing for years, since tabbed browsing has been in Firefox for a long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spear Dane View Post
    I changed my mind. As bad as Firefox is (and it is bad), it is much better than IE.
    I was going to post that you went out from us because you were not of us but I now see that it was not apostasy after all, but a brief period of backsliding!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devin View Post
    As others have said, Opera is a rockin' browser. For basic web surfing, I think it's number one. It's a slim piece of software too. The only problem with it is that some sites aren't as compatible with it as you'd like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BaptistInCrisis View Post
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    I've been running Firefox as my primary browser for the past three years and have never encountered crash problems.
    Same here. Are you using Vista? I've been using Windows XP with no problems.
    XP and now Vista. Firefox runs great. I only use IE to access my company intranet which will only work on IE. Other than that I am a Firefox man.
    No need even for that:
    mozdev.org - ietab: index
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredtgreco View Post
    No need even for that:
    mozdev.org - ietab: index
    I had mixed results with IETab when I used WinXP. Some sites it works OK for, others not so much. I agree that its worth trying, but if the issue is an ActiveX routine for security, IETab won't solve the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reformedcop View Post
    I guess I don't know what I've been missing. I've been using IE forever and never really had any problems.
    No way ! Nobody got through IE4 without therapy.
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