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    Satan as the roaring lion seeking whom he MAY devour

    Quick question while I am multi-tasking here....

    Does this MAY refer to permission. Satan does not eat those he COULD but those that he MAY? i.e. those that he has permission to eat, i.e. the unbeliever.

    Anyone have any good quotes on this?


    Also, anyone have any good quotes on how Satan must ask God's permission before he harms any of God's children?

    (Frederick Leahy's Satan Cast Out is good)
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    Similarly in 2 Corinthians 12:7-10 Paul explains how Christ
    refused to take away his suffering because of a better purpose than
    pain-free existence.
    To keep me from being too elated by the surpassing greatness of the
    revelations, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan
    to harass me, to keep me from being too elated. Three times I pleaded
    with the Lord about this, that it should leave me. But he said to me,
    “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weak-
    ness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses,
    so that the power of Christ may rest upon me. For the sake of Christ,
    then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions,
    and calamities. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
    This thorny “messenger of Satan” was designed by God for
    sanctifying, gospel purposes well beyond the reach of Satan. Satan
    becomes the lackey of the risen Christ.
    What was Christ’s purpose
    in Paul’s suffering? “My power is made perfect in weakness.” Now
    this is unintelligible to those who define love as helping us get out
    of pain quickly. It is also unintelligible to those who say that Christ
    cannot be loving if he is letting Paul suffer to magnify his own glory.
    But that is exactly what he is doing. This is why the love of God in
    the gospel looks so foolish to people. How can this be love?

    God is the Gospel - Piper, 128 - my emphasis
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    1 Pet 5:8
    νήψατε γρηγορήσατε ὁ ἀντίδικος ὑμῶν διάβολος ὡς λέων ὠρυόμενος περιπατεῖ ζητῶν τινα καταπιεῖν

    really doesn't have the "may" in it.
    More along the lines of "seeking any one to devour" or "any thing"
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    Larry, can you give us the tense of the "own" ending?
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    1 Peter 5:8-9 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

    I think that in the context those whom Satan "may" devour are lazy and/or carnal christians who are more suspectible to his temptations. The point of Peter telling his readers about Satan wandering about was to exhort them to action, namely "Be sober, be vigiliant....resist...". In other words to be on their guard in their christian lives because the devil is on the hunt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by staythecourse View Post
    Larry, can you give us the tense of the "own" ending?
    I presume you are wanting to know the tense of "ζητῶν"

    If so, it's present tense.
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    An interesting note - a lion does not roar when it hunts. It roars when it's eating/devouring.
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    So Christians may be devoured?

    John Piper says, “The only thing that will fit down the lion's throat is an unbeliever.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pergamum View Post
    So Christians may be devoured?

    John Piper says, “The only thing that will fit down the lion's throat is an unbeliever.”
    I think the context shows that Peter is addressing, and warning christians.

    Unless you define "devoured" strictly as going to hell, I do not see why a christian could not be devoured.
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    I would say that those devoured aren't Christians, but reminders of the tenaciousness of the adversary. We are called to fight the good fight as believers. Warnings to believers to persevere abound in Scripture; but that doesn't negate perseverance. Those who fail to persevere reveal who they belong to and are devoured.

    10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by larryjf View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by staythecourse View Post
    Larry, can you give us the tense of the "own" ending?
    I presume you are wanting to know the tense of "ζητῶν"

    If so, it's present tense.
    Thanks.

    I was being lazy and looked up the parsing of seeking and devour. "to devour" is an infinitive and not a subjunctive and "seeking" is a participle. So you are right, "seeking anyone to devour"

    I was looking for a subjunctive to get a "may" in there somewhere.

    Thanks
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    The statement makes better sense when Diabolos is understood to be a Slanderer. It is the Christian witness of anyone he is seeking to devour. See also chap. 2:12, 3:16, and 4:15, for the strong emphasis throughout the epistle on giving no occasion to the enemy to slander the good name of Christianity.
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    Below is a one paragraph summary of spiritual warfare. Is this paragraph well-written and true?



    How are we to wage spiritual warfare?

    We are to make our calling and election sure
    John Piper reminds us, “The only thing that will fit down the lion's throat is an unbeliever.” We need to make sure that we are inedible. Seeing the personality of Satan in its full fury through these three Old Testament texts, the best defense is to ensure that we are God’s children. The slogan, “Smile, God has a wonderful plan for your life” only applies to those who are saved. Happiness and comfort in this present life is never promised to the child of God, yet we know that our momentary light afflictions here on earth work for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory (II Corinthians 4:17).




    Does this paragraph ring true?
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    I would wholeheartedly agree with Piper on this.
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    I do not know, and I do not say, that a person cannot believe in Revelation and in evolution, too, for a man may believe that which is infinitely wise and also that which is only asinine. ~ CHS

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