His Majesty's Secret Service

**armourbearer** · #1 (**permalink**) 08-13-2007, 02:19 AM

Spiritual spying, from William Perkins (Galatians, 1617, 74, 75):

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There be two kinds of spying: one lawful, the other unlawful. Lawful, as when in just and lawful war we inquire into the counsels and doings of our enemies, Numb. 13:1. Unlawful, when men pry into any thing or matter to find a fault. Thus hypocrites spy faults in the persons and lives of men, that they may have somewhat whereby to disgrace them, Matt. 7:4. Thus atheists pry into the scriptures that they may confute them. Thus sundry hearers come to sermons that they may carp. Thus our enemies inquire into our religion that they may find (as they suppose) exceptions, untruths, and contradictions. And in the church of Jerusalem, false brethren inquire how far Christian liberty extends that they may overthrow it. This kind of spying is a common fault; we must take heed of it, and apply the eye of our mind to a better use. First, we are to be spies in respect of our own sins and corruptions, to spy them out; Lam. 3:40, let us search our ways, and inquire, and turn again to the Lord. Again, we are to play the spies in respect of our spiritual enemies, that we may find out the temptations of the flesh, the world, and the devil. Thirdly, we must be as spies in searching of the Scriptures, John 5:39, that we may understand the words of the law of God, and find comfort to our souls.

***Semper Fidelis*** · #2 (**permalink**) 08-13-2007, 02:42 AM

I can neither confirm nor deny that I agree with your post.

**armourbearer** · #3 (**permalink**) 08-13-2007, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SemperFideles

I can neither confirm nor deny that I agree with your post.

Vwe hav vwaaays ov mayking yu tok.

kvanlaan · #4 (**permalink**) 08-13-2007, 04:05 AM

Aw mannn, when I saw the thread title, I thought that Rev. Winzer was going to 'fess up that he was a 007 type. I thought that may have been the source of the knowing smile in his avatar. No such luck.

***Semper Fidelis*** · #5 (**permalink**) 08-13-2007, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by armourbearer

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Originally Posted by SemperFideles

I can neither confirm nor deny that I agree with your post.

Vwe hav vwaaays ov mayking yu tok.

Ego mos nunquam sermo!

**Herald** · #6 (**permalink**) 08-13-2007, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kvanlaan

Aw mannn, when I saw the thread title, I thought that Rev. Winzer was going to 'fess up that he was a 007 type. I thought that may have been the source of the knowing smile in his avatar. No such luck.

Actually, if his mustache had handle bars he would be a dead ringer for Dudley Do-Right.

On a more serious note, thought provoking quote. It challenges me to question my motives for wanting to know things. Do I seek information to bless the church, or to slake a perverse curiosity?

**Southern Presbyterian** · #7 (**permalink**) 08-13-2007, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BaptistInCrisis

Actually, if his mustache had handle bars he would be a dead ringer for Dudley Do-Right.

Don't you mean Snidely Whiplash?

Dudely is on the left and Snidely on the right.

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Originally Posted by BaptistInCrisis

On a more serious note, thought provoking quote. It challenges me to question my motives for wanting to know things. Do I seek information to bless the church, or to slake a perverse curiosity?

I agree! We should do more "heart spying" on ourselves.

**Herald** · #8 (**permalink**) 08-13-2007, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Wythe County Calvinist

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Originally Posted by BaptistInCrisis

Actually, if his mustache had handle bars he would be a dead ringer for Dudley Do-Right.

Don't you mean Snidely Whiplash?

Dudely is on the left and Snidely on the right.

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Originally Posted by BaptistInCrisis

On a more serious note, thought provoking quote. It challenges me to question my motives for wanting to know things. Do I seek information to bless the church, or to slake a perverse curiosity?

I agree! We should do more "heart spying" on ourselves.

Yeah....Snidely. Had those two mixed up. Thanks for the correction.

VirginiaHuguenot · #9 (**permalink**) 08-13-2007, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by armourbearer

Spiritual spying, from William Perkins (Galatians, 1617, 74, 75):

Quote:

There be two kinds of spying: one lawful, the other unlawful. Lawful, as when in just and lawful war we inquire into the counsels and doings of our enemies, Numb. 13:1. Unlawful, when men pry into any thing or matter to find a fault. Thus hypocrites spy faults in the persons and lives of men, that they may have somewhat whereby to disgrace them, Matt. 7:4. Thus atheists pry into the scriptures that they may confute them. Thus sundry hearers come to sermons that they may carp. Thus our enemies inquire into our religion that they may find (as they suppose) exceptions, untruths, and contradictions. And in the church of Jerusalem, false brethren inquire how far Christian liberty extends that they may overthrow it. This kind of spying is a common fault; we must take heed of it, and apply the eye of our mind to a better use. First, we are to be spies in respect of our own sins and corruptions, to spy them out; Lam. 3:40, let us search our ways, and inquire, and turn again to the Lord. Again, we are to play the spies in respect of our spiritual enemies, that we may find out the temptations of the flesh, the world, and the devil. Thirdly, we must be as spies in searching of the Scriptures, John 5:39, that we may understand the words of the law of God, and find comfort to our souls.

**py3ak** · #10 (**permalink**) 08-13-2007, 11:51 AM

We knew Andrew would like it, with his covert intelligence background!

VirginiaHuguenot · #11 (**permalink**) 08-13-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by py3ak

We knew Andrew would like it, with his covert intelligence background!

**armourbearer** · #12 (**permalink**) 08-13-2007, 05:27 PM

Snickering like Muttley.