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Breathing fire.
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The book of Job is a tough book. The vocabulary is rich, and the syntax is a nightmare! However, there is some light that has been shed on this.

First of all, the reason why the KJV translators probably translated this as "unicorn" has more to do with the Septuagint and Vulgate than anything. The Septuagint uses the Greek term monokeros, which means "an animal with one horn." Also, the Latin Vulgate translates this same term in Isaiah 34:7 with unicornis. In all likelihood, the KJV translators either were borrowing from the Septuagint, or got this gloss from an earlier usage in the Latin Vulgate, and just continued it throughout the translation.

Now, all I can say is, "Who can blame them!" This is not an easy word to define. However, more than likely, the KJV translators were wrong here. The Hebrew term is re'em. Studies in cognate languages, such as Akkadian, can give us a much better approximation for the meaning of this term. In this case, there is an Akkadian cognate, the Akkadian term rimum, which means "wild bull." Likewise, although I don't know Ugaritic, the Hebrew Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament says that there is a Ugaritic cognate, rum which means either "wild bull" or "buffalo." Hence, the more likely definition is something like "wild bull."

Interesting lexicography question!

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First of all, the reason why the KJV translators probably translated this as "unicorn" has more to do with the Septuagint and Vulgate than anything. The Septuagint uses the Greek term monokeros, which means "an animal with one horn." Also, the Latin Vulgate translates this same term in Isaiah 34:7 with unicornis. In all likelihood, the KJV translators either were borrowing from the Septuagint, or got this gloss from an earlier usage in the Latin Vulgate, and just continued it throughout the translation.

Now, all I can say is, "Who can blame them!" This is not an easy word to define. However, more than likely, the KJV translators were wrong here. The Hebrew term is re'em. Studies in cognate languages, such as Akkadian, can give us a much better approximation for the meaning of this term. In this case, there is an Akkadian cognate, the Akkadian term rimum, which means "wild bull." Likewise, although I don't know Ugaritic, the Hebrew Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament says that there is a Ugaritic cognate, rum which means either "wild bull" or "buffalo." Hence, the more likely definition is something like "wild bull."
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Hey Everyone!

The book of Job is a tough book. The vocabulary is rich, and the syntax is a nightmare! However, there is some light that has been shed on this.

First of all, the reason why the KJV translators probably translated this as "unicorn" has more to do with the Septuagint and Vulgate than anything. The Septuagint uses the Greek term monokeros, which means "an animal with one horn." Also, the Latin Vulgate translates this same term in Isaiah 34:7 with unicornis. In all likelihood, the KJV translators either were borrowing from the Septuagint, or got this gloss from an earlier usage in the Latin Vulgate, and just continued it throughout the translation.

Now, all I can say is, "Who can blame them!" This is not an easy word to define. However, more than likely, the KJV translators were wrong here. The Hebrew term is re'em. Studies in cognate languages, such as Akkadian, can give us a much better approximation for the meaning of this term. In this case, there is an Akkadian cognate, the Akkadian term rimum, which means "wild bull." Likewise, although I don't know Ugaritic, the Hebrew Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament says that there is a Ugaritic cognate, rum which means either "wild bull" or "buffalo." Hence, the more likely definition is something like "wild bull."

Interesting lexicography question!

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Can I copy your answer over to my questioning friend?
Though, I don't think he really wants to know, as his response to my first explanation that it was probably a KJV issue just made him change his question to, "Well, you do still believe there was a race of giants, though, don't you? Why can you accept that but not unicorns?"
Which I answered, "Well, maybe they were just a bunch of seven foot guys, or maybe bigger. I don't know, but I believe anything is possible, even unicorns, though I do doubt that they did exist and think that one was just a translation thing."

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Sure, but you might want to fix my typo. The Latin Vulgate reads unicornes at Isaiah 34:7, not unicornis.

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One-Horned 'Unicorn' Deer Born in Italy

The Bible indicates that this one horned creature was real warm blooded mammal and not just a mythical creature. The absence of unicorns today should not cause us to doubt its past existence in the ancient world. You can simply indicate to this athesist that a mutation (within a kind) can easily explain the existance of a one horn creature in the past.

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'Unicorn' Deer Found in Italy : Discovery News : Discovery Channel

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June 11, 2008 -- A deer with a single horn in the center of its head -- much like the fabled, mythical unicorn -- has been spotted in a nature preserve in Italy, park officials said Wednesday.

"This is fantasy becoming reality," Gilberto Tozzi, director of the Center of Natural Sciences in Prato, said. "The unicorn has always been a mythological animal."

The one-year-old Roe Deer -- nicknamed "Unicorn" -- was born in captivity in the research center's park in the Tuscan town of Prato, near Florence, Tozzi said.

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