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Old 05-23-2009, 09:37 AM
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Dear Christian friends,

I’ve been looking for and collecting these for a while, and am posting them as I recently said I would, for the benefit of those who would like to see a mostly irenic and scholarly presentation of the TR / AV position. I say “mostly irenic” as in some of my earlier postings I was less irenic than now. Irenic does not mean I am softening my position, but rather softening my heart toward dear brothers and sisters who differ with me in textual matters. Hanging out with IFB folks for a while before coming here to PB, I appreciated their bare-knuckled approach to the matter. But here I came into contact with scholarly and godly opponents who protested my approach, as it was their conviction – based upon conscience and scholarship – that they did possess a “legitimate” Bible in the CT versions. I myself address this in the “adequate vs. minute preservation” discussions, and agree with them.

My mature (& present) attitude can be found in the OP of the “Responding to James White of AOMIN” thread. There is coming a time when all sectors of the true church will be afflicted and persecuted, even in the U.S., and we shall need that cement which holds the house of living stones firm and steady while in tribulation: that cement is genuine friendship. While the foundation is Christ in Scripture, and the pillars are sound doctrine in godly churches, friendship in Christ holds it all together – holds us all together.

Bitter souls (whatever side they are on) who indulge in stereotyping, inflammatory slanderous remarks, holding opponents in contempt, not only violate the grace our Lord commands us to show one another (as He sustains us by His undeserved grace), they reveal dire illness of the soul, channeling an infernal root of bitterness that indeed defiles many. Some boards allow such; I hope this board does not allow it to continue, for it has made its mark here (and I’m sorry to say I have participated to some extent in it; I would alter some words of mine, but the threads and posts are locked, and not to be changed). So when you may see harsh words I may have spoken, know that I have repented of this bad attitude.

If we ever find ourselves hidden in a house together, with evil posses outside hunting for us, I want to be known as a friend among friends, all of us in the presence of our mighty Captain, and not as a flaming-tongued disturber of the peace.

Our opponents will sufficiently try our views of Scripture. It is now to them I will give my attention, starting with Ehrman (I am procuring some of his books to study them).

I may add to this list, and I will also note here when I get my website (blog) up (not the PB blog). On my PB blog I will duplicate this post.

In Jesus’ mighty name,

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Jerusalem Blade’s posts:


Answering Alan Kurschner of aomin thread

Answering Alan Kurschner of aomin

Hort on early Byz majority: Answering Alan Kurschner of aomin

Borland essay; Lake, allegation Alexandrian text majority examined: ibid

W&H text not the same as CT/ET per White: Answering Alan Kurschner of aomin



Responding to James White of AOMIN thread

Responding to James White of AOMIN



Johannine Comma thread

Nolan on 1 John 5:7: Johannine Comma

Minute vs. adequate preservation: Johannine Comma

Pickering on the early history of the text: Johannine Comma

Holland on 1 John 5:7: Johannine Comma



Skepticism and doubt toward the Bible thread

Skepticism and doubt toward the Bible



KJV / Byz / TR Resources thread

A lot of material from others, on the internet and hard copy: KJV / Byz / TR Resources



"Phantom Manuscripts"? thread

"Phantom Manuscripts"?




WCF 1.8 and CT thread

Extended quote of Letis on Warfield and WCF 1:8: WCF 1.8 and CT

and: WCF 1.8 and CT

Burgon on Matt 5:22: WCF 1.8 and CT

A summing up: WCF 1.8 and CT



KJV-Only Versus Byzantine Superiority thread

Burgon on John 3:13: KJV-Only Versus Byzantine Superiority



Textual Manuscripts thread

Lane vs. Steve on Alexandrian/W&H (& Asa – Amon): Textual Manuscripts?




What is the authentic New Testament text? thread: (A partial list of contents in the OP)

What is the authentic New Testament text?

Quoting Letis’ essay responding to D.A. Carson: What is the authentic New Testament text?



CONCERNING ERASMUS (Coats, Cloud, etc): What is the authentic New Testament text?

Letis / Borland on Asa and Amon (Matt 1:7, 10 ESV): What is the authentic New Testament text?

Kirsopp Lake, “It is hard to resist the conclusion that the scribes usually destroyed their exemplars when they had copied the sacred books.”: What is the authentic New Testament text?




Do Many Scholars Prefer the Majority Text? thread

Byz priority: "Do Many Scholars Prefer the Majority Text?"



TTer gone CTer thread (many posts)

Warfield assertion countered by Lake: TTer gone CTer



History of the KJV and TR thread

Owen on variants (from Letis): History of KJV and TR


A History Of The Authorized Version thread

Extended discussion of the Septuagint starting at post #40: A History Of The Authorized Version



Byzantine readings of Paul thread

Byzantine readings of Paul

Pickering and Robinson on “no early Byz mss”: Byzantine readings of Paul



Do textual variants give us confidence? thread

Some posts on the OT text: Do textual variants give us confidence?


Verses omitted from the ESV thread

Extensive Nolan quote: Verses ommited from the ESV


Linguistic Superiority between Geneva and KJV? thread

Links to “Easter” discussions in KJV: Linguistic Superiority between Geneva and KJV?



Pascha in Acts 12:4 thread (re “Easter”) thread

Steve’s input starting in post #10: Pascha in Acts 12:4


Defending the Lord's Prayer 1 thread (Matt 6)

Defending the Lord's Prayer 1


Defending the Lord's Prayer 2 thread (Luke 11)

Defending the Lord's Prayer 2



On Gathering Intelligence and Evidence thread
On Gathering Intelligence and Evidence


Why do KJ Only types believe the Westcott and Hort manuscripts are bad? thread (my first post #14)

Why do KJ Only types believe the Westcott and Hort manuscripts are bad?


pierced/like a lion...need Hebrew help thread

pierced/like a lion...need Hebrew help



NASB / ESV Revisions?? thread

NASB / ESV Revisions??



THE ASCENDANCY OF THE CRITICAL TEXT thread (bare-knuckled poem)

THE ASCENDANCY OF THE CRITICAL TEXT



On Enoch in Jude thread

Peter Enns, A Blog

A History Of The Authorized Version



Colossians 1:14 thread

Colossians 1:14



Did Lazarus write the Gospel of John? thread (starting at post #18)

Did Lazarus write the Gospel of John?



The Occult in the late 19th, early 20th centuries

The Occult in the late 19th, early 20th centuries


Inspired in Teachings Only? thread

Inspired in Teachings Only?




Biblical Preservation thread (RE: Tischendorf rescued [Codex Sinaiticus] from a waste basket)

Biblical Preservation



Mark 16:12 thread

Mark 16:12



John 7:53-8:11 thread

John 7:53-8:11



King James Only Movement thread

King James Only Movement



Verbal Plenary Preservation thread

Discussion of Reformation texts: verbal plenary preservation

Arians in power for 50 years in Greek empire: verbal plenary preservation



Titus 2:13, 2 Peter 1:1, and Granville Sharp thread

Titus 2:13, 2 Peter 1:1, and Granville Sharp



Farstad & Hodges Vs. Robinson & Pierpont thread

Farstad & Hodges Vs. Robinson & Pierpont


The merits of the A.V. thread

On Bruce Metzger: The merits of the A.V.
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That is a lot of work, Steve. Thanks for compiling it in one location.
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Nice work brother, thank you.

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Brother, you have singlehandedly gotten me to reconsider the teaching of my college and seminary profs on manuscripts. Your powerful arguments and irenic disposition has moved me off my bias in favor of the critical text due to its too-great reliance upon the Alexandrian manuscripts. I am not in your camp supporting the KJV/TR. However, you have given me a whole new respect for the Byzantine mss.

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Thanks for your comments, friends!

I couldn't resist listing a few of the Baptism [and some miscellaneous] posts here also!

Baptism threads


John 1:12-13 & baptism revisited thread (A response to Dr. Bob)

John 1:12-13 & baptism revisited



This thread went to 7 pages!
Why I am now a Baptist thread (11 posts in all, starting with):

Why I am now a Baptist



A couple of baptism questions thread (2 posts, starting with):

A couple of baptism questions



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Having just left IFB, and having witnessed the 'battles' over the text issue become divisive and a matter of fellowship, I must thank you Elder Rafalsky for the irenic, scholarly tone your posts have taken. A tone such as this must be taken when discussing a topic that has many godly men on either side of it. That is the only way it is truly edifying. Having become used to a tone that had moved away from that of Burgon, Mauro, and Hills, it is refreshing to hear the case for the TR presented without the bombast. Thank you for the work in compiling these links.
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I'm bringing this up into the present as I'm still adding to it (in the first post).
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Thank you for your words in the OP. While I may differ with some of your conclusions, I am in unison with your irenic spirit.
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Thank you for your words in the OP. While I may differ with some of your conclusions, I am in unison with your irenic spirit.
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