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You'll see green alligators and long-necked geese
Some humpty backed camels and some chimpanzees
Some cats and rats and elephants, but sure as you're born
You're NEVER gonna see no unicorns
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Don't you remember the Lions ate the Unicorns on the Ark?
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All good AV users believe in unicorns! 
Numbers 23:22 God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.
Numbers 24:8 God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.
Job 39:9-10 Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib? Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?
Psalm 29:6 He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.
Psalm 92:10 But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.
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Of course they exist. The main reason why we doubt is because we are good modernist Enlightenment Christians who have for too long listened to the secularists who tell us that magical creatures like unicorns don't exist.
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Originally Posted by Ivanhoe  Of course they exist. The main reason why we doubt is because we are good modernist Enlightenment Christians who have for too long listened to the secularists who tell us that magical creatures like unicorns don't exist. | Jacob, you are turning into an "Enlightenment Conspiracy Theorist" 
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Read City of God. Augustine talks about the reality of giants and one-legged deer. And other fantastical creatures, no doubt. Though I don't have the reference for it, Luther believed that goblins and demons haunted certain German forests.
Most of human history, biblical or pagan, believed in fantastical creatures. The early Christians saw reality participating in the divine. They could believe in different levels of reality. Irish theologians, for example, believed in fairies and had a somewhat developed theology to prove it. Many in the Celtic tradition believe in something called "thin space," where the dimension between our reality and the "other" is not as thick. I am down with it.
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According to the reports of a reliable man, there were little dwarves who used our neighbor's outdoor shower when we lived in Mexico. They get disoriented when you build something over their buried treasure. He really didn't mind them much. I didn't realize that dwarves/gnomes had a predilection for personal hygiene, but now that I know that I am just regretful that I didn't get to see them.
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Now all they have to do is find the invisible pink unicorns, then the atheists will look (even more) foolish.
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In Gill's commentaries he gives credence to an account of a Roman legion fighting a dragon and taking large numbers of casualties. But I doubt that it happened, and I know that there aren't any unicorns. I'd be cool, though.
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Originally Posted by TimV In Gill's commentaries he gives credence to an account of a Roman legion fighting a dragon and taking large numbers of casualties. But I doubt that it happened, and I know that there aren't any unicorns. I'd be cool, though. | Do you have a citation for that? Just curious.
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Originally Posted by VirginiaHuguenot Quote:
Originally Posted by TimV In Gill's commentaries he gives credence to an account of a Roman legion fighting a dragon and taking large numbers of casualties. But I doubt that it happened, and I know that there aren't any unicorns. I'd be cool, though. | Do you have a citation for that? Just curious. | Ditto, that is so awesome. I so believe that!
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Sure, guys. It's in Gill's commentary on Job chapter 41, which is a bit of a laugh to us with our knowledge, but interesting as an insight to people of his time. But as to the dragon, it's in verse 34, which I'll type
particularly the dragon Atilius Regulus, the Roman general, killed near Bagrade in Africa, is a proof itself of almost all the above articles as Osorious has described it; nor is it any objection that the leviathan is represented as being in the sea, since the dragon, even the land dragon, will plunge into rivers, and is often found in lakes called seas and in maritime places, and will go into the sea itself, as Pliny and Philostratus relate. To which may be added, the this creature was found among the Troglodytes, who lived near the Red sea, and not far from Arabia, where Job dwelt, and so might be well known by him.....
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Originally Posted by TimV Sure, guys. It's in Gill's commentary on Job chapter 41, which is a bit of a laugh to us with our knowledge, but interesting as an insight to people of his time. But as to the dragon, it's in verse 34, which I'll type
particularly the dragon Atilius Regulus, the Roman general, killed near Bagrade in Africa, is a proof itself of almost all the above articles as Osorious has described it; nor is it any objection that the leviathan is represented as being in the sea, since the dragon, even the land dragon, will plunge into rivers, and is often found in lakes called seas and in maritime places, and will go into the sea itself, as Pliny and Philostratus relate. To which may be added, the this creature was found among the Troglodytes, who lived near the Red sea, and not far from Arabia, where Job dwelt, and so might be well known by him..... | awesome.. all the proof I need.
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Thanks, Tim. I did a little digging just because this intrigued me and found this episode cited by Livy and others referred to as "perhaps the most famous cryptozoological event in the records of the ancient world": Quote:
It was in all probability, an enormous specimen of this serpent, which once threw a whole Roman army into dismay. The fact is recorded by Valerius Maximus, who quotes it from one of the lost books of Livy, where it was detailed at greater length. He relates, that near the river Bagrada, in Africa, a snake was seen of so enormous a magnitude as to prevent the army of Attilius Regulus from the use of the river; and which after having snatched up several soldiers with its enormous mouth, and killed several others by striking and squeezing them with the spires of its tail, was at length destroyed by assailing it with all the force of military engines and showers of stones, after it had withstood the attacks of their spears and darts. It was regarded by the whole army as a more formidable enemy than even Carthage itself.
The whole adjacent region was tainted with the pestilential effulvia proceeding from its remains, as were the waters with its blood, so as to oblige the Roman army to shift its station. The skin of this monster, measuring in length one hundred and twenty feet, was sent to Rome as a trophy, and was there suspended in a temple, where it remained till the time of the Numidian war. -- James G. Percival, The Wonders of the World (1836), p. 421
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Just for fun the Bible itself has a fantasy creature that no one really know what it is and the right translation.
leviathan ring anybells?
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Originally Posted by ReformedSinner Just for fun the Bible itself has a fantasy creature that no one really know what it is and the right translation.
leviathan ring anybells? | Could it be a dinosaur?
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Originally Posted by ReformedSinner Just for fun the Bible itself has a fantasy creature that no one really know what it is and the right translation.
leviathan ring anybells? | I always laughed when people said it was a crocodile.
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I hope PA Deutch weighs in on this thread. He's a retired LtCol Marine friend of mine who loves crytpozoology.
For years, people in Wisconsin were reporting sightings of Kangaroos and nobody believed them but it was finally documented. He also had reports of a missionary from last century who sighted a dinosaur in Africa.
He also reports the story that Europeans didn't believe the Africans who were reporting "hairy men" that lived in the jungle. Until they saw gorillas for themselves, they didn't believe they existed.
Once a scientist verifies something, then it's true.
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Originally Posted by Ivanhoe Read City of God. Augustine talks about the reality of giants and one-legged deer. And other fantastical creatures, no doubt. | Augustine also believed all sorts of tall tales concerning the magical properties of relics.
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Originally Posted by Semper Fidelis I hope PA Deutch weighs in on this thread. He's a retired LtCol Marine friend of mine who loves crytpozoology.
For years, people in Wisconsin were reporting sightings of Kangaroos and nobody believed them but it was finally documented. He also had reports of a missionary from last century who sighted a dinosaur in Africa.
He also reports the story that Europeans didn't believe the Africans who were reporting "hairy men" that lived in the jungle. Until they saw gorillas for themselves, they didn't believe they existed.
Once a scientist verifies something, then it's true. | I read up some on the Wisconsin Kangaroos. Amazing stuff. So strange! The first recorded sighting of kangaroos in that area was 1899 (51 years after it became a state). People really did not believe it, but sightings continues ALL OVER the state for the next 90 plus years.
Then in the late 90s a farmer caught one! It now lives in the Madison Zoo and is named Roo.
In 2000 a man hit one with his pickup truck and it is also documented.
Very strange! It just goes to show that we do know all that we think we know!
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