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Book on the defense of the young earth ?

Can any give me some titels with books about a defense of the young earth ?
Iam a layman student, so a book which is not to much academic would be good.

I heard about "Coming to Grips with Genesis" by Terry Mortenson, is it recommend ?
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There is a lot of good and free info supporting the young earth available at some websites:

Answers in Genesis- Answers in Genesis - Creation, Evolution, Christian Apologetics
Institute for Creation Research- The Institute for Creation Research
Creation Science Institute- Creation Science Evangelism | Creation. Evolution. Dinosaurs. The Bible.

Plenty of content and some very good semi and technical articles
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There is a lot of good and free info supporting the young earth available at some websites:

Answers in Genesis- Answers in Genesis - Creation, Evolution, Christian Apologetics
Institute for Creation Research- The Institute for Creation Research
Creation Science Institute- Creation Science Evangelism | Creation. Evolution. Dinosaurs. The Bible.

Plenty of content and some very good semi and technical articles
regarding AiG! They are a tremendous resource for YEC.
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I think the Bible's pretty good for that. It's certainly the most reliable.
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I addressed the issue in another thread (post #84):

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I know that this book doesn't exactly fit the OP, but it's on my "to read list" and is featured in this month's "Table Talk" devotion.

I believe that after each segment a rebutal is included.

In addition to including a segment on YEC by Ligon Duncan, you may learn more about the YEC position by understanding what gap and framework adherents believe and don't believe.


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Is the Rev. Dr. Duncan a believer in YEC?
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Is the Rev. Dr. Duncan a believer in YEC?
I haven't read "The Genesis Debate", so I'm just going by the description given:

"J. Ligon Duncan III and David W. Hall defend the view that the Genesis creation days are six, sequential days, each 24 hours long (the 24-hour view)."
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It's not about YEC as a system (that's stated at the outset of the book), but it's a great exposition of the first chapters of Genesis that convinced me of YEC.

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I know this book comes highly recommended. It was even instrumental in changing R.C. Sproul's mind:

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I've been reading Jason Lisle's The Ultimate Proof of Creation and quite enjoying it. Good stuff.
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It's not about YEC as a system (that's stated at the outset of the book), but it's a great exposition of the first chapters of Genesis that convinced me of YEC.

Amazon.com: The Battle For The Beginning (9780849916250): John MacArthur: Books
I second this motion. MacArthur's book is very informative and compelling.
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Another vote for anything put out by AiG.
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AiG thirded or fourthed.

[AiG being Answers in Genesis, not the insurance company that'll "be around for future generations"]
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I know this book comes highly recommended. It was even instrumental in changing R.C. Sproul's mind:

Amazon.com: Creation And Change: Genesis 112.4 in the Light of Changing Scientific Paradigms (Mentor) (9781857922837): Kelly Douglas: Books
An excellent book.

Although, it isn't so much a defense of YEC, but six day creation. Kelly outlines some of the key points of the YEC position, but also says that there is room for improvement in a lot of their arguments. I'm still undecided on YEC, but this book confirmed me as a six dayer.
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Although, it isn't so much a defense of YEC, but six day creation. Kelly outlines some of the key points of the YEC position, but also says that there is room for improvement in a lot of their arguments. I'm still undecided on YEC, but this book confirmed me as a six dayer.
Just to be sure, you mean you believe in six 24 hour days but are not sure whether you believe the earth or young or old?
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Here's a selection of titles that I'd recommend dealing with the evidence for a young world and creationist geology more generally:
Austin, S. A., Catastrophes in Earth History: A Source Book of Geologic Evidence, Speculation and Theory, Institute for Creation Research, El Cajon, California, 1984. ISBN 0-932766-08-0. Technical.

Austin, S. A. (editor), Grand Canyon: Monument to Catastrophe, Institute for Creation Research, Santee, California, 1994. ISBN 0-932766-33-1. Semi-technical.

Brand, L., Faith, Reason, and Earth History: A Paradigm of Earth and Biological Origins by Intelligent Design, Andrews University Press, Berrien Springs, Michigan, 1997. ISBN 1-883925-15-0. Semi-technical.

Brand, L., Beginnings: Are Science and Scripture Partners in the Search for Origins?, Pacific Press Publishing Association, 2005. ISBN 0-8163-2144-2. Popular.

Coffin, H., Brown, R. H. and Gibson, L. J., Origin by Design, Revised Edition, Review and Herald Publishing Association, Hagerstown, Maryland, 2005. ISBN 0-8280-1776-X. Popular.

DeYoung, D., Thousands Not Billions: Challenging an Icon of Evolution, Questioning the Age of the Earth, Master Books, Green Forest, Arkansas, 2005. ISBN 0-89051-441-0. Popular.

Roth, A. A., Origins: Linking Science and Scripture, Review and Herald Publishing Association, Hagerstown, Maryland, 1998. ISBN 0-8280-1328-4. Popular.

Vardiman, L., Snelling, A. A. and Chaffin, E. F. (editors), Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth: A Young-Earth Creationist Research Initiative, Institute for Creation Research, El Cajon, California and Creation Research Society, St Joseph, Missouri, 2000. ISBN 0-932766-62-5. Technical.

Vardiman, L., Snelling, A. A. and Chaffin, E. F. (editors), Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth: Results of a Young-Earth Creationist Research Initiative, Institute for Creation Research, El Cajon, California and Creation Research Society, Chino Valley, Arizona, 2005. ISBN 0-932766-81-1. Technical.

Wise, K. P., Faith, Form, and Time: What the Bible Teaches and Science Confirms About Creation and the Age of the Universe, Broadman & Holman Publishers, Nashville, Tennessee, 2002. ISBN 0-8054-2462-8. Semi-technical.

Wise, K. P. and Richardson, S. A., Something From Nothing: Understanding What You Believe About Creation and Why, Broadman and Holman Publishers, Nashville, Tennessee, 2004. ISBN 0-8054-2779-1. Popular.
I might also mention my own book, written for the layman, which discusses questions of time from biblical, geological and astronomical perspectives:
Garner, P., The New Creationism: Building Scientific Theories on a Biblical Foundation, Evangelical Press, Darlington, 2009. ISBN 0-8523-4692-1. Popular.
And not out yet, but soon to be released by the Institute for Creation Research, Dr Andrew Snelling's long-awaited two-volume successor to Whitcomb and Morris' influential The Genesis Flood is likely to be the biggest publishing event in creationist geology for some years:
Snelling, A. A., Earth's Catastrophic Past: Geology, Creation and the Flood, Institute for Creation Research.
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Do you know of any responses to the book by Davis young on Geology and the age of the earth?
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And not out yet, but soon to be released by the Institute for Creation Research, Dr Andrew Snelling's long-awaited two-volume successor to Whitcomb and Morris' influential The Genesis Flood is likely to be the biggest publishing event in creationist geology for some years:
Snelling, A. A., Earth's Catastrophic Past: Geology, Creation and the Flood, Institute for Creation Research.
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Do you know of any responses to the book by Davis young on Geology and the age of the earth?
Here's a link to a brief review by young age creationist Marcus Ross, which appeared in Christianity Today.

Michael Oard reviewed it in the Journal of Creation, but that review isn't online yet.

I'm also intending to review it sometime on my blog, but not sure when that will be.

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And not out yet, but soon to be released by the Institute for Creation Research, Dr Andrew Snelling's long-awaited two-volume successor to Whitcomb and Morris' influential The Genesis Flood is likely to be the biggest publishing event in creationist geology for some years:
Snelling, A. A., Earth's Catastrophic Past: Geology, Creation and the Flood, Institute for Creation Research.
Do you have information on this work of Snelling ? Links ?
Unfortunately there's not much yet that I can point you to. It's going to be published by the Institute for Creation Research, so I imagine they'll put a notice on their website when it comes out. I'll also post something on my blog when I get a copy.
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