Thread: Why I have switched from Paedo to Credo

Originally Posted by CarolinaCalvinist

This doesn't make any sense to me. If the visible church is made up of regenerate individuals then you're saying that every single individual who is a member of a true church is regenerate. Do you really believe that? What happens when it turns out that someone wasn't truly regenerate after all?

David - I suppose it is how you define terms. If by "visible church" you mean all that claim to be saved, then it is obvious that not all are saved. There are always goats in the midst of the sheep. When I use the term "visible church" I mean all true believers. Technically speaking a goat cannot be a sheep. The goat may dress as a sheep but can never be a sheep. A more appropriate term would probably have been "invisible church." If I applied the wrong term then I stand humbly corrected, but I think you now understand what I mean.

Thanks for pointing out the mix up in my terminology.

Bill, All of the passages cited are referring to natural gifts, like food and clothing. When a paedobaptist says that children are a gift, they mean covenanted gift, so that children are literally the heritage of the Lord. This is a precious teaching which makes a world of difference in the raising of a child when it is believed and acted upon. I pray our only wise God will let you into this secret.

[QUOTE=BaptistInCrisis;244683]Matthew - I am not at all pinning my argument on Psalm 125 alone. James writes:

And good gifts are not limited solely to the righteous.

I wish there was a smiley swallowing a bottle of sleeping pills.

Originally Posted by BaptistInCrisis

David - I suppose it is how you define terms. If by "visible church" you mean all that claim to be saved, then it is obvious that not all are saved. There are always goats in the midst of the sheep. When I use the term "visible church" I mean all true believers. Technically speaking a goat cannot be a sheep. The goat may dress as a sheep but can never be a sheep. A more appropriate term would probably have been "invisible church." If I applied the wrong term then I stand humbly corrected, but I think you now understand what I mean.

Thanks for pointing out the mix up in my terminology.

No prob! I was just confused, and thought that you surely meant to say "invisible church." It's all cleared up for me now.

Originally Posted by paul manata

Andrew, I don't think you attacked me. I'm not offended by you or anything. I just thought you didn't deal with my posts. I interacted with your posts and showed them to be self-refuting. If you think otherwise, by all means, offer a reply, not a sentence which makes me have to guess wildly at the relevance of it with what I said.

You are right.

I'll need more time

This thread has gotten a bit too big to be useful at this point. If you have some closing thoughts then please add them. If there are strings that you wish to pick up in a new thread then you're welcome to do so.

I know I've been asked some questions upstream in this thread but that's the nature of time zones. Going back now after the conversation has flowed downstream wouldn't be very useful.

To Richard (the creator of this thread): If after this thread is closed, you wish to add any parting comments, let me know and I'll get them in there for you.

Blessings,

Rich

Originally Posted by SemperFideles

This thread has gotten a bit too big to be useful at this point. If you have some closing thoughts then please add them. If there are strings that you wish to pick up in a new thread then you're welcome to do so.

I know I've been asked some questions upstream in this thread but that's the nature of time zones. Going back now after the conversation has flowed downstream wouldn't be very useful.

To Richard (the creator of this thread): If after this thread is closed, you wish to add any parting comments, let me know and I'll get them in there for you.

Blessings,

Rich

Rich RULES!!!

May our Lord use the discussion in this thread for His glory. I extend the right hand of fellowship to my brothers and sisters in Christ, regardless of which side of the debate they are on.

Originally Posted by BaptistInCrisis

May our Lord use the discussion in this thread for His glory. I extend the right hand of fellowship to my brothers and sisters in Christ, regardless of which side of the debate they are on.

Originally Posted by paul manata

it because the baptist says these "children" are only the "professing" children.

Hence



is just for professing children

and,



is just telling fathers how to treat their professing children.



It's all so complicated if you're a baptist

Congrats on your 5000th post!

Originally Posted by I follow Jesus

I wish there was a smiley swallowing a bottle of sleeping pills.

Max, you're a hoot!

Great discussion everybody!