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09-16-2007, 12:50 AM
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[Moderator NOTE: To avoid confusion, please vote on the poll question yea or nay as it is phrased rather than yea or nay on the question as phrased below.]
Hey:
If a Roman Catholic was to join your church - would he/she need to be re-baptized?
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Reason: Editing to restart poll due to Poll and OP phrasing question oppositely
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Originally Posted by CalvinandHodges  Hey:
If a Roman Catholic was to join your church - would he/she need to be re-baptized? | OK, so your OP is the complete reverse of your poll...
But, since I am a Baptist, you know what my answer is going to be. Of course they would need to be re-baptized. The RCC, despite its trinitarian formula in baptism, is not a Christian church. They do not rightly uphold the gospel or the sacraments (ordinances). Therefore, the baptism is illegitimate.
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Originally Posted by Calvibaptist Quote:
Originally Posted by CalvinandHodges Hey:
If a Roman Catholic was to join your church - would he/she need to be re-baptized? | OK, so your OP is the complete reverse of your poll...
But, since I am a Baptist, you know what my answer is going to be. Of course they would need to be re-baptized. The RCC, despite its trinitarian formula in baptism, is not a Christian church. They do not rightly uphold the gospel or the sacraments (ordinances). Therefore, the baptism is illegitimate. | Hi:
Trying to keep you on your toes! 
Would a paedo-baptist from a Presbyterian Church who converted to credo baptism need to be re-baptized?
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oops, my "No" ought be a "yes" in the poll. 
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OK, so I answered the question "Roman Catholic Baptism is it legitimate?"
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You should probably throw out this poll and start a new one since people are answering different questions.
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Originally Posted by CalvinandHodges Would a paedo-baptist from a Presbyterian Church who converted to credo baptism need to be re-baptized? | I hope you don't mind if I jump in here.
We had a situation similar to this in my (Reformed Baptist) church, and our conclusion was that since the paedo-baptist person involved was only sprinkled as an infant, then in order to become a member of our church they needed to be baptized as a believer.
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Originally Posted by Calvibaptist The RCC, despite its trinitarian formula in baptism, is not a Christian church. They do not rightly uphold the gospel or the sacraments (ordinances). Therefore, the baptism is illegitimate. |  |
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Originally Posted by Calvibaptist The RCC, despite its trinitarian formula in baptism, is not a Christian church. They do not rightly uphold the gospel or the sacraments (ordinances). Therefore, the baptism is illegitimate. |
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Rutherford says this in his A Peaceable and Temperate Plea for Paul’s Presbytery in Scotland (1642) in chapter 10 (see the section and others against Separatism online): Quote:
Hence shortly, I say, the Court of Rome as Popish, is the falling-sickness of the church, not the church. But the same court teaching something of Christ (baptism, good works, etc.) has something of the life and being of a church; howbeit she is not a whole church, her skin being leprous, pocky and polluted.
1. Because in a church that is no church, there cannot be a true seal of God’s covenant; but in the Court of Rome there is true baptism, for we baptize not again children once baptized there. Some of the Separation called it idol-baptism, and no baptism, which is Anabaptism. For then all converted Papists must be baptized again, no less than converted Turks or Jews. But (1.), the covenant is there, Come out of her my people; then their baptism confirms this covenant. (2.) Circumcision even in apostate Israel is true circumcision; her [children] the Lord’s [children] (Ezk. 16:21). He is Israel’s God, the holy one of Israel in the midst thereof. In Hezekiah’s reformation the people ate the Passover, and yet all had corrupted their ways, and had been a long time worshipping Idols, and they are not (2 Chron. 30) circumcised again; and yet (Ex. 12) none but the circumcised might eat the Passover.
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I'm confused. I thought Presbyterians would 100% accept Roman Catholic Baptism because obviously Reformers like Martin Luther and John Calvin thought it was acceptable otherwise they would have been rebaptised. Am I missing something?
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Originally Posted by tellville I'm confused. I thought Presbyterians would 100% accept Roman Catholic Baptism because obviously Reformers like Martin Luther and John Calvin thought it was acceptable otherwise they would have been rebaptised. Am I missing something? | Yes; you are missing Thornwell and the dominant view in Southern Presbyterianism since.
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Since some have been confused by the OP and the thread requiring opposite answers as phrased, I have restarted the thread and folks can re-vote.
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Originally Posted by Calvibaptist The RCC, despite its trinitarian formula in baptism, is not a Christian church. They do not rightly uphold the gospel or the sacraments (ordinances). Therefore, the baptism is illegitimate. | I agree.
Roman Catholic baptism is illegitimate.
Yes, a person who is converted to Christ needs to be rebaptised if he was baptised a Roman Catholic.
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I voted yes that they are valid. This summer I looked a little more deeply into Thornwell's arguments. I am more appreciative of it but I still demur.
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I voted No. It seems to me that the magisterial Reformers wrote at a different time and were not dealing with a Church that had completely repudiated the Gospel yet by its official teaching. RCC baptism in no way resembles Christian baptism except that it uses some words that are the same.
It's kind of like asking if the Judaizer's circumcision is the same as Abraham's.
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