What's going on in the Dispy camp since Obama is now President Elect? Do any of you have any friends or relatives who think Obama is the Anti-Christ.

I'm not trying to harp on Dispys, I'm just curious what their reaction has been to Obama's election.

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John
Member
Christ Presbyterian Church (OPC)
Salt Lake City, Utah
www.christpres.net

Yes! I get the feeling they actually hope he is.

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I preach a Bible Conference every fall at a church in St. Louis that has strong dispensational leanings. Some of them were saying they believed Obama was the Antichrist. Others didn't thinks so.

Here's what I don't understand. If I really believed that Obama was the Antichrist why would I be spreading all these emails about how times are so scary right now? If I still adhered to that system of thought, then why would I think times are scary if I was truly a Christian? I mean if Obama is the Antichrist then this should be the time that dispensational Christians have been waiting for.

I am NOT trying to be mean and rip on dispensationalists. I believed that system of thought for most of my Christian life. But I am being serious with this question. The same Christians who believe that way and believe that Obama is the Antichrist are spreading these emails about what scary these times these are.

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Ryan Barnhart - Pastor of OGBC
Husband to a beautiful wife, Father to two beautiful girls
Student at Greenville Presbyterian Theological Seminary - B.D.

"I confess to you, that if I can but live and die serving the Lord Jesus, it will make no difference to me whether I am eaten by Cannibals or by worms. And in the Great Day my Resurrection body will rise as fair as yours in the likeness of our risen Redeemer." - John Paton

Yes. I know a person or two who think that.

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Andrew DeShazo
Husband of Kathryn
Father of Phillip-Giles B. DeShazo
Deacon
Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church, Memphis, TN
"From out of the depth of unbroken Infinfity arose the Question, "Who am I?" And to that Question there is the answer, "I am God!" -Meher Baba, died 1969.

"I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Christ, died 33 AD, ressurected three days later.

There are many "non-Christians" who actually think he is the Messiah. Perhaps they don't regard him as the actual biblical Messiah, but they use the term seriously nevertheless and really see him as not only a savior for our country but the world. I kid you not!

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Jim
1689 LBCF
Independent Bible Church
North Texas, USA

Kind of, a guy just before the election told me Obama is working for the Anti-Christ.

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I don't know of any that believe he is the anti-Christ, but I've come across various websites that are looking at world events and wondering what's going on..not just concerning him specifically, but other things going on around the world..but if you look at various things it can certainly be 'seen' as conspiracy or a global one world government, religion whatever..

Like this:

European Neighbourhood Policy

Keeping The Home: Are we in the 7-Year Tribulation?

which mentions this:

Texts adopted (June 2000)

and this:

The New World Order

which mentions this:

DEPARTMENT OF STATE PUBLICATION 7277

and then there are these things:

U.S. Army To Be Deployed For Domestic Duty : The Commentary

COMBAT BRIGADE STATIONED IN US

President-Elect Obama and the Future of US Foreign Policy: A Roundtable Discussion

Democracy Now! | President-Elect Obama and the Future of US Foreign Policy: A Roundtable Discussion

and some have mentioned this:

Halliburton News

Pacific News Service > News > Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps

This one gives a list of various executive orders (I'll have to search some of them out..to double check them--many of these go back years, but have not been implemented

CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN THE U.S.?

but here are a few that are listed:

10995--All communications media seized by the Federal Government.

10997--Seizure of all electrical power, fuels, including gasoline and minerals.

10998--Seizure of all food resources, farms and farm equipment.

10999--Seizure of all kinds of transportation, including your personal car, and control of all highways and seaports.

11000--Seizure of all civilians for work under Federal supervision.


Public Law 87-297 This one is from 1961?

Disarming the US--this refers to the public law from 1961 above..

Charlotte Iserbyt -- Base Closures: Disarming America

Dialogue on Religions..

Bush to attend UN dialogue on religions | International | Jerusalem Post

Science Blog -- First Comprehensive Analysis Of Religion at the UN Released; Provides Blueprint for Religion to Play More Constructive Role

Human rights and Religion

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.as...man&Cr1=rights

Global Religion??

United Nations plan to build a global religion

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Covenant Member
Pinewood Pres. (PCA) Middleburg

When I kept Silent, My bones wasted away through my groaning all day long. Psalm 32:3

Welcome to the world of immigration detention, where over 32,000 immigrants are detained on any given day.

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The Temple Institute

Temple Institute Announces: High Priest's Crown is Ready! - Jewish World - Israel News - Israel National News

The Temple Institute: The Holy Temple in Jerusalem: Yesterday Tomorrow Today

Temple Mount

The Temple Mount in Jerusalem

The watching for a Red heifer

THE RED HEIFER

Prophecy Central: Red Heifer

The Sanhedrin

The Sanhedrin

Members of Reestablished Sanhedrin Ascend Temple Mount

Members of Reestablished Sanhedrin Ascend Temple Mount - Jewish World - Israel News - Israel National News

The Re-established Jewish Sanhedrin - The Sanhedrin - en

I have a coworker in the office who without a doubt believes that Obama is the anti-christ. He stays on line all day reading a website called "the trumpet" (Which is starting to raise some negative attention from our boss. He may get fired over this obsession). All he talks about to everyone is that its all about to start and we better get ready for the "civil war" thats coming. Its gotten to a point where everybody sees him as a joke at work. But the positive thing out of it is that many of the guys have come to me and asked what I thought about this Obama/anti-christ deal. Which has given me more oppurtunities to speak the truth to these lost coworkers.

On a side note I have had several customers say that they believe that Obama is the anti-christ. One of them told us that they were sitting at church lunch talking about how they needed to "kill the anti-christ before he could take power" but he reassured us that he calmed them all down by telling them "you cant kill the anti-christ".

It's embarrasing to think that when the Lord first saved me I feel for the dispy teaching hook line and sinker. But praise the Lord he opened my eyes to the reformed faith.

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John Blevins III
Chestnut Mountain Presbyterian Church
PCA
Gainesville, Georgia

Gomarus;

I've seen comments to that effect, but I don't know the people personally.

Look at Oprah, and the news media...they all seem to think/believe that..

Our country and the world are going to be sorely disappointed.

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Ivan R. Schoen, B.A., M.A., M.L.I.S.
Pastor of Maranatha Baptist Church (SBC)
Poplar Grove, IL, USA
http://maranatha-sbc.org

My cousin told me that he thought Obama may be the antichrist. I took him to 2 Thes. 2, 1 Tim. 4, and Revelation and showed him who the antichrist (vice-christ, vicar of Christ) is. He is meant to be identified and the protestant church has done that (thats what I told him). He no longer thinks Obama is the antichrist.

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[B]Manley Beasley[/B]
Southern Baptist Convention
Fayetteville, Arkansas

[B]Wir sein pettler. Hoc est verum (We are beggars. This is true.).--Luther's dying words[/B]

One talk radio personality yesterday (11/7) and Thursday (11/6) kept saying it was creepy that the pick three numbers in the Illinois (Obama's home stateJ) lottery numbers the day after the election were 666.

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junior
Deacon
First Baptist Church of Richland Hills, Texas
Owning the 1677 Baptist Confession of Faith, 1680 Orthodox Catechism, & 1693 Baptist Catechism

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sarah
WI
OPC
My Pastor's Sermons: Mark Jenkins...he's awesome!!!

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I bought a couple things from the store the other day and the total came to $6.66, the cashier kinda freaked out and asked if I wanted to buy something else. I looked at her and said..Umm, No. She asked "Doesn't that scare you?" I told her, "No, It doesn't, they are just numbers, no reason to be afraid of numbers." She was like "okay, are you sure?"

Change the article from "the" to "an", and I agree wholeheartedly.

Cheers,

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Adam B., Wine Country, California, PCA

"I fear not to hold with Junius, de Politia Mosis cap. 6, that he who was punishable by death under that Judicial law, is punishable by death still; and he who was not punished by death then, is not to be punished by death now."

Gotcha. True indeed!

I concur!

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Matthew Philip Miller | Reformed Baptist, SBC
Student of Theology at Trinity College of Florida

Iniquities prevail against me; As for our transgressions, You will provide atonement for them. Blessed is the man You choose, And cause to approach You, That he may dwell in Your courts. We shall be satisfied with the goodness of Your house, Of Your holy temple.
Psalms 65:3-4 (NKJV)

I wanted to add one I forgot...Louis Farrakan, claims Obama is the Messiah as well..

The Mahdi: Islam’s Awaited Messiah

http://www.answering-islam.org/Autho..._the_mahdi.htm

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Kevin - PCA - Mississippi

"What, for some, is sin, others do to the glory of God. And the good Dr. Pentecost's remarks notwithstanding, I intend to go home tonight and smoke a cigar to the glory of God. It is a kind of incense drifting to Heaven." - Charles Spurgeon

"Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift!" - 2 Corinthians 9:15

Wow, Bobbi. Either you're really fast, or need a job or another hobby. What an amazing list of resources. Did you actually read them all?

Though I had a short season when I chased this stuff a bit (maybe a year), the futility of it soon overtook me. I remember a friend of mine, just after 9/11, sharing an email they'd received from a charismania missionary in S. America who saw prophetic fulfillment. I responded that he's wasting his time and that, as horrible as what happened was, in the scheme of things it was just a blip on the calendar. It's nothing compared to the wholesale slaughter of unborn babies each day.

Haven't run across any "Obama's the man" folks though. I'm sure I will.

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Joe Johnson
Slave of Christ, husband, father, Preacherboy at Cornerstone Community Church, Escanaba, MI. and TMS graduate. Personal website - SoundLife.org

I do not know, and I do not say, that a person cannot believe in Revelation and in evolution, too, for a man may believe that which is infinitely wise and also that which is only asinine. ~ CHS

Many of the Dispy's that I know are relieved that they no longer have to re-interpret their proof-texts in order to accommodate Hillary as the Anti-Christ.

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Dan Borvan
WSC Student - URC
Escondido, CA

The Rapture index is up to 158. It was 151 the day before the election. (and this is down 1 point from yesterday) Maybe we should be ready to go! Just look at Biggandy's avatar. I think he's ready to be raptured!!

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Timothy Johnson
First United Presbyterian of Moline
PCUSA (Yea, I know)
Theology/Philosophy Sunday School Teacher
Davenport, IA

Wannabee;

I've read through parts of them, others I skimmed through and picked up key words and ran a search on those to see what could be verified, through other sources..

But right now, my husband is sick (been sick for a couple weeks now, been on med's but they don't seem to be working), my son went w/ his dad, my daughters went to the mall and then a school play, so they have been gone a majority of the day..so this gave me something to do..other than watch TV.

But then reading these things has been kind of fun...I haven't really paid much attention to most of these things in awhile...but knowing what's going on around the world is a good thing..

Here is another I just came across..

No American Left Alone!

No American Left Alone

What's the highest the RI will go? Also, how is it calculated?

The Apple I was $666 -- neither Woz nor Jobs knew that the number had any sort of significance; it was just the way the numbers came out after the rounding!

The other day, I was talking to my dad, and he was saying that he noticed that all the dispy blogs he reads (I didn't actually know he reads dispy blogs, so I don't know which ones he means) are in a bit of a flurry of nervous activity, while all the Reformed blogs are very much the opposite.

He, too, wondered why they always get anxious about current events when most believe in a pre-tribulational rapture. And then there was the question of why dispensational presidents attempt to make peace in Israel when that's supposed to be a mark of the anti-Christ... All puzzling questions indeed.

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Jennifer Petrik
Member, Grace Reformation Church
Associate Member, Escondido Reformed Baptist Church
Student, Westminster Seminary California (M.A.H.T.)
Woodland/Escondido, CA
per caliginem

A quick Google images search showed . . .

* The "O" of Obama with devil horns
* Photoshopping the picture of Obama onto the Sallman head of Christ
* A Black and Red graphic of Obama sporting horns under the legend: "Anti Christ '08"
* A photograph of Obama descending from heaven surrounded by admiring folks
* Satan '08
* Obama with a halo behind his head
* Obama with a 666 on his forehead asking how people like his new tatoo
* A campaign poster of Obama in a pulpit with the words "Faith, Hope, and Change" and an inspirational quote from the President elect



I suspect that we are in for a VERY interesting presidential term with the eschatological expectations heated to a fever pitch.

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Dennis E. McFadden, Ex Mainline Baptist (in Remission)
Atherton Baptist Homes, CEO
First Baptist Church of Alhambra, Member, Transformation Ministries (CA)

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I go to a dispy church every friday to fellowship. They haven't identified the Anti-Christ yet but they defintely don't cut down on the end times jargon. Every single event seems to be a sign of the end times.

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Julio Perez
Visting Branch of Hope OPC hoping this will be my home church.....


“No…we are all priests. Your vocation and your contentment in your vocation should not be dependent upon your being in vocational ministry or in being a figure of public acclaim. If God wills that fine…if He does not do that, you ought to still do what he has granted you to do to the glory of God.”

-Martin Luther

Sounds about right for dispies. The thing I am still baffled by is how much they fear these events. If they believe the "rapture" is a coming and they will be with Jesus why the fear?

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If we got technical, wouldnt all the governments of the world be working for the antichrist?

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Jeffrey Wilson
Cornerstone Reformed Baptist Church
London Baptist Confession of Faith 1644
Summerland, British Columbia, Canada

"If ever a monk got to heaven by monkery, I ought to have gotten there!" Martin Luther

That's what I've been thinking as well.

If you watch their faces while they're discussing this it's less anxiousness and fear than it is hope. I saw that in myself as a young teen in a dipsy mega-church. When I would be honest with myself, it was was with me and my friends more wishful thinking by a jaded group of people than fear for personal safety. Massive destruction that you got to enjoy but wouldn't have to suffer the consequences for, like watching Godzilla trash New York when you're in California.

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Tim Vaughan
Member, Redeemer Presbyterian, OPC,
Santa Maria
California

I have been asked by my mother-in-law if I thought Obama was the anti-christ but now she knows that I am not a dispy so she no longer asks. My brother-in-law asked me this the other day, "With Obama in the white house and Israel back in their country was the end near?" I told him that I did not hold to his system of end times beliefs but according to what he believes he will be raptured before the anti-christ does his thing anyway and should not worry about who he is.

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Erick Bohndorf, Redeemer Presbyterian PCA
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Here is what I have seen to be good and fitting: to eat, to drink and enjoy oneself in all one’s labor in which he toils under the sun during the few years of his life which God has given him; for this is his reward. Ecclesiastes

Frankly to be honest with you I feel sorry for them. One of my closest friends who I shared the doctrines of Grace with, it took him over a year for him to change his mind about being an arminian. He is still a 4 pointer, struggling with limited atonement and loves to see how world events relate to scripture. I have tried to convincing not to form his hermeneutic based on world events even took him to Dr. Kim Riddlebarger class on Amill. What he has told me is that Israel came to existence for a reason and he seems more than convinced that God will use them for the whole premill scenario. It's just so weird for me that he sees things this way even besides being an extremely smart guy (he's an aerospace engineer).

Here's a recent article on the subject:

Barack Obama: God's choice?

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Jim
Elder
First Presbyterian Church of Honolulu
at Ko'olau (PCUSA)
Honolulu, Hawaii
http://www.fpchawaii.org/
"And He said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for My strength is made perfect in weakness." II Corinthians 12:9

WND poll


Is Barack Obama God's sovereign choice for America's next president? (2560 votes)

No, he was the establishment media's choice - they just think they're God 33% (856)

Yes, God is sovereign over everything - all things, whether we like them or not, work to his purpose and his glory 26% (678)

Yes, and if this doesn't make Americans repent of their many sins, God could give us someone even worse next time 10% (259)

No, Obama is rabidly pro-abortion and God hates abortion 6% (162)

No, Obama's victory was the result of millions of Americans exercising their free choice 6% (147)

Yes, and given his wealth-destroying economic philosophy, I fear his victory is evidence of God's displeasure with America 4% (111)

Yes, God is testing our patriotism to see if we'll prove worthy of the freedom he gave us - and for which so many made the ultimate sacrifice - by resisting Obama's tyrannical policies 3% (82)

Other 3% (79)

Yes, the Bible says all authority is from God 3% (69)

Yes, if by "God" you mean Allah 2% (42)

No, God controls the spiritual realm but leaves the social realm to people 1% (25)

No, there is no God 1% (18)

No, God has more important things to care about than who becomes our next president 1% (17)

Yes, God has raised up Obama to heal our land 0% (4)

Yes, he's the Messiah - God has to be on his side 0% (4)

Yes, otherwise it means Obama not only beat McCain, be beat the Almighty 0% (4)

No, God believes in separation of church and state 0% (2)

Yes, God hates war and killing - Obama opposed going into Iraq from the beginning and he will bring our troops home 0% (1)

Yes, it's such a long shot for a black man to be elected in racist America, it had to be a miracle 0% (0)

[QUOTE=DMcFadden;491450]A quick Google images search showed . . .

* The "O" of Obama with devil horns



I think the "O" stands for Oprah. We've all fallen into her trap by thinking Obama's the antichrist.

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Jim Ulam
Bethany Bible Fellowship (Non-denominational)
Westminster, CA

"From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put" - Winston Churchill

[quote=Calvin'scuz;502204]I don't know. You would be amazed at what I saw in my toast this morning . . .

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Future Chaplain
EPC
Hankamer, TX