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    The most disturbing clip I've seen says Chris Ortiz. I can't believe what I just watched.
    Psa 55:16 As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me.
    Psa 55:17 Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice.
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    We're here for our support of Israel. We are not here for conversions.
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    This was the classic definition of a train wreck. I wanted to stop watching. Really, I just couldn't pull away.
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    I never seen a greater display of Biblical ignorance in my life, not to mention the seedy politicians there to take advantage of it. It makes one sick at thier stomach.
    Psa 55:16 As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me.
    Psa 55:17 Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice.
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    Somebody break out the life preservers. These people are drowning in a pool of ignorance!
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    That is the most frightening display of lemming mentality I have ever seen. If Darth Vader supported Israel these people would follow him. True ignorance on parade. "If you've seen Left Behind, then you know what's going to happen." Yikes!
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    I thought the soldier in combat dress coming up and saluting the praying Jew on the platform was especially touching.
    Psa 55:16 As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me.
    Psa 55:17 Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice.
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    Let us not forget to pray for the lost reporter and his crew. He doesn't care whether or not these people are ignorant in their understanding of the Bible. He just wants to tear apart and do his best to make Jesus Christ and all His followers look foolish to all men.

    His awakening one day is going to be even more rude than most of the people he was reporting about. I dare say some of them are true believers, in spite of their poor and ignorant eschatology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barnpreacher View Post
    Let us not forget to pray for the lost reporter and his crew. He doesn't care whether or not these people are ignorant in their understanding of the Bible. He just wants to tear apart and do his best to make Jesus Christ and all His followers look foolish to all men.

    His awakening one day is going to be even more rude than most of the people he was reporting about. I dare say some of them are true believers, in spite of their poor and ignorant eschatology.

    Good point dear brother. It is kind of funny though that at a pro Israel rally the Jewish reporter is thrown out.
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    Psa 55:17 Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice.
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    Lemmings all.... Looking for a high enough cliff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barnpreacher View Post
    Let us not forget to pray for the lost reporter and his crew. He doesn't care whether or not these people are ignorant in their understanding of the Bible. He just wants to tear apart and do his best to make Jesus Christ and all His followers look foolish to all men.

    His awakening one day is going to be even more rude than most of the people he was reporting about. I dare say some of them are true believers, in spite of their poor and ignorant eschatology.
    Good point.
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    Man... Dispy theology sure sounds cultic!

    Crazy stuff! Only by the grace of God I don't believe that stuff anymore!
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    Oy vay!
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    Every bit as sinister as the Jihadists and the mystics, basically these people are Pseudo-Christian Mystics with their own brand of jihad, not unlike the Ayrians, how ironic of the Jews and their unconditional supporters.
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    At the risk of being "lemming-like" myself, aside from their overt dispensationalism, Hagee's Charismatic theology and their leaning on Left Behind for their eschatological understanding, is it merely the fact that they elevate Israel as a nation to an improper place with their slogan "Keep your eyes on the nation Israel for the signs of the end" that makes this so contemptible? Or is it that they wish our military to be the protector and ally of Israel?

    Hagee is a nut-job in my opinion, anyway, but look at the thousands that gulp him down. Again, those are the ones with whom we rub shoulders and have to try and make real sense when speaking of such things.

    A friend of ours just discovered that TD Jakes was a modalist and was oh-so-disappointed. But that specific doctrinal error has colored everything else he says that she would view as "solid" and she wouldn't know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D. Paul View Post

    A friend of ours just discovered that TD Jakes was a modalist and was oh-so-disappointed. But that specific doctrinal error has colored everything else he says that she would view as "solid" and she wouldn't know it.
    is there anything solid from T.D Jakes? I can literally predict what the guy would say next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueridge reformer View Post
    The most disturbing clip I've seen says Chris Ortiz. I can't believe what I just watched.
    wow...how disturbing...
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    So, again, what is the thing most disturbing about this? We've said that it IS disturbing but in what ways specifically? In other words, if we were to confront someone who attended this ...affair...and gushed all over us of how wonderful it was, what could be said to them to get them to think? Well, OK, not THINK think, but you know un- themselves long enough to hear something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D. Paul View Post
    So, again, what is the thing most disturbing about this? We've said that it IS disturbing but in what ways specifically? In other words, if we were to confront someone who attended this ...affair...and gushed all over us of how wonderful it was, what could be said to them to get them to think? Well, OK, not THINK think, but you know un- themselves long enough to hear something.

    Good Question. The problem I see with dealing with dispy eschatology is that once you start a conversation with them, you end up all over the map trying to correct scriptures that they use to support the dispy system. It can be very draining almost like dealing Mormons.

    Reasons why it's disturbing: The following quotes from some of the people interviewed

    Tom Delay “We have to be connected to Israel to be connected to Christ”

    People worshipping the Lord with Israeli and American Flags.

    “You have to embrace Israel as part of the Second Coming”

    “I am looking forward to Armageddon”

    “When we disappear you better start to worry”

    “If you haven’t seen the Left Behind series it’s scary”






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    Why do you believe in a pretribulational rapture?
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    Ask: Have you ever considered that parts of the Book of Rev, have already taken place?

    Why do put so much eschatological emphasis on Israel. Wouldn't you agree that eschatology should be Christ centered?

    Ask them to read through 1&2 Thess, and distinguish between the Pre-Trib Rapture and the Second Coming of the Lord. (Also, remind them that they are not allowed to use any Tim Lahaye study guides)

    The key is to be kind, gentle, and patient. As, frustrating as it may get, be patient with them. Also, be prepared for people to become hostile especially if they have not ever been confronted about what they believe.
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    That's what I was lookin' for! Thanks, Blue. Any others?
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    What happens to this part of Christian America if, God forbid, there is a nuclear Holocaust in Israel?
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