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Evangelicals help move along the prophetic timetable
The article doesn't go into detail, but I smell a Hagee in all of this.
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| | I can't find the part in Revelation where the Church, separate from Israel, helps get everything ready for the Antichrist. I've looked and looked...  |
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| | | The irony is that according to the dispensational interpretation of Zechariah 13:8,9 they would probably be safer staying in Iran. |
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| | | The sad thing about it is these Christians apparently agree or promise not to share the Gospel with the Jews.
So they think they are helping Jews by moving them from one physical location to another, while leaving them in unbelief.
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| | | the madness of king george. Never has there ever been a time in the history of the church that unbelievers have been so cuddled and pampered. This is what Solomon calls, "taking fire into your bosom". Now the church of Jesus the New Jerusalem will be subjected to Phariseeism. Caiaphas and Ananias couldn't be more proud.
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Originally Posted by David_A_Reed  The sad thing about it is these Christians apparently agree or promise not to share the Gospel with the Jews.
So they think they are helping Jews by moving them from one physical location to another, while leaving them in unbelief. | I cannot begin to tell you how mad that makes me: I guess the dispy doodles need more cannon fodder to force "the rapture" to come. 
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However, the involvement of evangelicals is a sensitive issue in Israel. Evangelicals are considered among Israel's staunchest allies in the United States, but some Israelis are uncomfortable with their hard-line views and the religious basis of their support, saying their ultimate goal is to convert Jews to Christianity. The evangelicals deny that.
| That's a sad ending to the article!
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Originally Posted by David_A_Reed The sad thing about it is these Christians apparently agree or promise not to share the Gospel with the Jews.
So they think they are helping Jews by moving them from one physical location to another, while leaving them in unbelief. | This is truly dreadful; how can any Christian possible agree not to share the gospel with anyone? |
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Being away from American food (oh, how I miss Subway) let me say the following;
I'd rather smell a Hoagie than a Hagee....
But then again...
Both are round and can be full of baloney.
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Originally Posted by David_A_Reed The sad thing about it is these Christians apparently agree or promise not to share the Gospel with the Jews.
So they think they are helping Jews by moving them from one physical location to another, while leaving them in unbelief. | This is truly dreadful; how can any Christian possible agree not to share the gospel with anyone? |
Our former pastor (our son-in-law's father) is heading for Israel in the next couple of weeks to do a 3 week stint as a civilian volunteer in the Israeli Army. He is staunchly pro-national Israel and sees everything through a lense of biblical prophecy where it is concerned. We have friends who are Messianic Jews who have been in Israel as missionaries for the past five years who tell us that the government is beginning to put pressure on believers there. Our former pastor will be working for that same government and abiding by its rules not to prostelitize. What is wrong with this picture???  |
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Originally Posted by Daniel Ritchie Quote:
Originally Posted by David_A_Reed The sad thing about it is these Christians apparently agree or promise not to share the Gospel with the Jews.
So they think they are helping Jews by moving them from one physical location to another, while leaving them in unbelief. | This is truly dreadful; how can any Christian possible agree not to share the gospel with anyone? | I agree, that sounds like real anti-Semitism - everybody gets the Gospel but the Jews...  |
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| | That's great material Perg!!!! Excellent. Quote:
Originally Posted by Pergamum Quote:
Originally Posted by BaptistInCrisis |
Being away from American food (oh, how I miss Subway) let me say the following;
I'd rather smell a Hoagie than a Hagee....
But then again...
Both are round and can be full of baloney. | |
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Originally Posted by BaptistInCrisis |
Being away from American food (oh, how I miss Subway) let me say the following;
I'd rather smell a Hoagie than a Hagee....
But then again...
Both are round and can be full of baloney. |  |
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Originally Posted by Pergamum Quote:
Originally Posted by BaptistInCrisis |
Being away from American food (oh, how I miss Subway) let me say the following;
I'd rather smell a Hoagie than a Hagee....
But then again...
Both are round and can be full of baloney. | Perg, don't be so "pun"-acious. |
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Originally Posted by Daniel Ritchie Quote:
Originally Posted by David_A_Reed The sad thing about it is these Christians apparently agree or promise not to share the Gospel with the Jews.
So they think they are helping Jews by moving them from one physical location to another, while leaving them in unbelief. | This is truly dreadful; how can any Christian possible agree not to share the gospel with anyone? | I agree, that sounds like real anti-Semitism - everybody gets the Gospel but the Jews... | Indeed. This Hagee flavor of dispensationalism, if I understand it correctly, that teaches that there is no need to share the gospel with the Jews, is soul destroying heresy. I wonder also if it is related to what has been termed transdispensationalism.
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Careful. Dispensationalism comes in different stripes and flavors. There are many dispensationalists who have a zeal for the Jewish people and wish to see them come to Christ. Hagee is not as much a dispensationalist as he is a bona fide quack. |
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Originally Posted by BaptistInCrisis Chris,
Careful. Dispensationalism comes in different stripes and flavors. There are many dispensationalists who have a zeal for the Jewish people and wish to see them come to Christ. Hagee is not as much a dispensationalist as he is a bona fide quack. | Bill, I edited my post before you posted this. See if you like the new one better.  |
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| | | getting the jews out of Iran is a good and noble effort but it seems to be hubris to think you by helping do that are a vessel for God's will or carrying out Bible Prophecy now could there be fulfillment in the immigration of Jews to Israel it is possible but I don't think it's going to be carried out by a bunch of American evangelicals
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This is truly dreadful; how can any Christian possible agree not to share the gospel with anyone? | I agree, that sounds like real anti-Semitism - everybody gets the Gospel but the Jews... | Indeed. This Hagee flavor of dispensationalism, if I understand it correctly, that teaches that there is no need to share the gospel with the Jews, is soul destroying heresy. I wonder also if it is related to what has been termed transdispensationalism. | I would concur that Hagee is not a "true" dispensationalist for lack of a better term. If you have ever read The Personal Freedom Outreach article on him it is abundintlly clear he is a heretic and down right odd I mean the guy held a ""slave" auction at one of his past churchs. |
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Originally Posted by BaptistInCrisis Chris,
Careful. Dispensationalism comes in different stripes and flavors. There are many dispensationalists who have a zeal for the Jewish people and wish to see them come to Christ. Hagee is not as much a dispensationalist as he is a bona fide quack. | Bill, I edited my post before you posted this. See if you like the new one better. | Better. | |
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