Evangelicals help move along the prophetic timetable

The article doesn't go into detail, but I smell a Hagee in all of this.

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I can't find the part in Revelation where the Church, separate from Israel, helps get everything ready for the Antichrist. I've looked and looked...

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The irony is that according to the dispensational interpretation of Zechariah 13:8,9 they would probably be safer staying in Iran.

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"When I find the time, I'm going to write the social history of bourbon."

The sad thing about it is these Christians apparently agree or promise not to share the Gospel with the Jews.

So they think they are helping Jews by moving them from one physical location to another, while leaving them in unbelief.

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the madness of king george. Never has there ever been a time in the history of the church that unbelievers have been so cuddled and pampered. This is what Solomon calls, "taking fire into your bosom". Now the church of Jesus the New Jerusalem will be subjected to Phariseeism. Caiaphas and Ananias couldn't be more proud.

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Pslam 71:20 [Thou], which hast shewed me great and sore troubles, shalt quicken me again, and shalt bring me up again from the depths of the earth.

I cannot begin to tell you how mad that makes me: I guess the dispy doodles need more cannon fodder to force "the rapture" to come.

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That's a sad ending to the article!

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Christ The King Presbyterian
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This is truly dreadful; how can any Christian possible agree not to share the gospel with anyone?

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Saintfield, Northern Ireland - Queen's University, Belfast:History/Politics
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Being away from American food (oh, how I miss Subway) let me say the following;

I'd rather smell a Hoagie than a Hagee....

But then again...


Both are round and can be full of baloney.

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Our former pastor (our son-in-law's father) is heading for Israel in the next couple of weeks to do a 3 week stint as a civilian volunteer in the Israeli Army. He is staunchly pro-national Israel and sees everything through a lense of biblical prophecy where it is concerned. We have friends who are Messianic Jews who have been in Israel as missionaries for the past five years who tell us that the government is beginning to put pressure on believers there. Our former pastor will be working for that same government and abiding by its rules not to prostelitize. What is wrong with this picture???

I agree, that sounds like real anti-Semitism - everybody gets the Gospel but the Jews...

That's great material Perg!!!! Excellent.

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Perg, don't be so "pun"-acious.

Indeed. This Hagee flavor of dispensationalism, if I understand it correctly, that teaches that there is no need to share the gospel with the Jews, is soul destroying heresy. I wonder also if it is related to what has been termed transdispensationalism.

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Chris,

Careful. Dispensationalism comes in different stripes and flavors. There are many dispensationalists who have a zeal for the Jewish people and wish to see them come to Christ. Hagee is not as much a dispensationalist as he is a bona fide quack.

Bill, I edited my post before you posted this. See if you like the new one better.

getting the jews out of Iran is a good and noble effort but it seems to be hubris to think you by helping do that are a vessel for God's will or carrying out Bible Prophecy now could there be fulfillment in the immigration of Jews to Israel it is possible but I don't think it's going to be carried out by a bunch of American evangelicals

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I would concur that Hagee is not a "true" dispensationalist for lack of a better term. If you have ever read The Personal Freedom Outreach article on him it is abundintlly clear he is a heretic and down right odd I mean the guy held a ""slave" auction at one of his past churchs.

I wonder what tribe they were from?

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Better.

Because the Jews are prophesied to make a seven year covenant with the AntiChrist, if you witness to them and win them to Christ, then how is the AntiChrist going to come? It's all about the AntiChrist in Jesus name.

Dispensationalists believe in Calvinism, complete with divine election and reprobation, for the Jews.

You just have to learn to rightly divide the Bible Daniel, that is all.

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Absolutely! Most of my dispensational friends have a great burden for Jewish evangelism and promote it aggressively. They take seriously Paul's agony at the rejection by his kindred of the Messiah. Places like Moody Bible Institute graduate people who seek to share the Gospel with Jewish people and see them embrace Christ. It was in my ANTI-dispensational seminary that a Presbyterian prof tried to tell us that Jews don't need to become Christians and that God accepts them based on their OT covenant. He is the only one I have ever known personally who argued against evangelizing Jews.

The evangelical world has more than its share of nuts, some of them fly under the banner of dispensationalism. However, whether dispensationalism is erroneous or not, people like Hagee are the exception, not the rule.

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Art Azurdia:

"Now friends, people often ask me, "Do you believe that the church replaces Israel. The answer is "no of course not!!!" The church does not replace Israel. The fact is, Jewish people who reject Jesus Christ are apostate from Israel. Following Jesus Christ is the ultimate expression of true Judaism. Everything in the Old Testament pointed to Him. Israel and the church, then, are not in radical discontinuity, rather, the later is the consummated expression of the former. Beloved, a failure to appreciate that has profoundly determined strange things in our [own] country. By virtue of the influence of American evangelicalism we say silly things like "Always side with Israel, no matter what Israel does always side with Israel. God will take care of America if we always side with Israel. They are God's people." [But] Jesus says they are a synagogue of Satan. And is there a reason then why American evangelicals are notoriously ineffective in their evangelism of Arabs?"

Does the Church Replace Israel

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Highlighting the schizophrenic nature of dispensationalism: today if a Jew does convert to Christ they become part of the "heavenly people of God" since they will be raptured and spend the millennium as part of the "Church". If they don’t convert, but enter into the seven year tribulation period, they may get converted and be blessed as part of the "earthly people of God" which was God real intent for the Jews.