Hal says Zero Hour approaches

Blueridge Believer · #1 (**permalink**) 02-06-2009, 08:09 AM

Anton Bruckner · #2 (**permalink**) 02-06-2009, 08:12 AM

is he getting a new wife

**Southern Presbyterian** · #3 (**permalink**) 02-06-2009, 08:15 AM

Hal Lindsey, that ole serial adulterer, who believes him any more?! The only thing he's ever done with any consistency is be wrong.

SRoper · #4 (**permalink**) 02-06-2009, 12:33 PM

"Taking a step back and looking at the Big Picture, it is hard not to miss the fact that events are developing in concert with the ancient prophecies of Scripture. [emphasis added]"

Unless I'm reading him wrong I'd have to say that I agree with this sentence.

Ivan · #5 (**permalink**) 02-06-2009, 12:36 PM

A stopped clock is right twice a day.

Curt · #6 (**permalink**) 02-06-2009, 01:03 PM

I smell yet another new book.

***VictorBravo*** · #7 (**permalink**) 02-06-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SRoper

"Taking a step back and looking at the Big Picture, it is hard not to miss the fact that events are developing in concert with the ancient prophecies of Scripture. [emphasis added]"

Unless I'm reading him wrong I'd have to say that I agree with this sentence.

Touche!

BTW, when I saw the thread title I thought it was about HAL the computer.

A5pointer · #8 (**permalink**) 02-06-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SRoper

"Taking a step back and looking at the Big Picture, it is hard not to miss the fact that events are developing in concert with the ancient prophecies of Scripture. [emphasis added]"

Unless I'm reading him wrong I'd have to say that I agree with this sentence.

Be careful of falling for this mind set. Every generation for the last 2000 years could have read events around them the same way. In my opinion today is no different.

***VictorBravo*** · #9 (**permalink**) 02-06-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by A5pointer

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Originally Posted by SRoper

"Taking a step back and looking at the Big Picture, it is hard not to miss the fact that events are developing in concert with the ancient prophecies of Scripture. [emphasis added]"

Unless I'm reading him wrong I'd have to say that I agree with this sentence.

Be careful of falling for this mind set. Every generation for the last 2000 years could have read events around them the same way. In my opinion today is no different.

Bruce, you missed the subtle double negative that Scott identified: "hard Not to miss" means "easy to miss."

A5pointer · #10 (**permalink**) 02-06-2009, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by victorbravo

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Originally Posted by A5pointer

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Originally Posted by SRoper

"Taking a step back and looking at the Big Picture, it is hard not to miss the fact that events are developing in concert with the ancient prophecies of Scripture. [emphasis added]"

Unless I'm reading him wrong I'd have to say that I agree with this sentence.

Be careful of falling for this mind set. Every generation for the last 2000 years could have read events around them the same way. In my opinion today is no different.

Bruce, you missed the subtle double negative that Scott identified: "hard Not to miss" means "easy to miss."

Got you, sure did. Thanks

Poimen · #11 (**permalink**) 02-06-2009, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by victorbravo

BTW, when I saw the thread title I thought it was about HAL the computer.

What are you doing Vic?

kvanlaan · #12 (**permalink**) 02-06-2009, 02:48 PM

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BTW, when I saw the thread title I thought it was about HAL the computer.

And I thought it was Hal Camping, moving things up a notch!

**Marrow Man** · #13 (**permalink**) 02-06-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by victorbravo

BTW, when I saw the thread title I thought it was about HAL the computer.

I think someone would like to have a word with you.

***VictorBravo*** · #14 (**permalink**) 02-06-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Poimen

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Originally Posted by victorbravo

BTW, when I saw the thread title I thought it was about HAL the computer.

What are you doing Vic?

Sing it for me. . . .

discipulo · #15 (**permalink**) 02-06-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by victorbravo

BTW, when I saw the thread title I thought it was about HAL the computer.

This is a mere curiosity from 2001 Space Oddity,

try to replace each letter of HAL for each following letter of the alphabet… IBM

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LawrenceU · #16 (**permalink**) 02-06-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Poimen

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Originally Posted by victorbravo

BTW, when I saw the thread title I thought it was about HAL the computer.

What are you doing Vic?

Jon Lake · #17 (**permalink**) 02-06-2009, 03:40 PM

Hmmm...zero hour was approaching (on us) by Hal in the late 70's then the mid-80's, the early 90's, 2003 (for some reason), am I missing any........

puritanpilgrim · #18 (**permalink**) 02-06-2009, 03:54 PM

I think it will be a odd experience for him if he is lying on his death bed and Jesus hasn't raptured him up. He's been saying this is the time for over twenty years. One of my favorite books, although not by him, but in the genre, is 88 reasons why the rapture will occur in 1988. How many times can people sell their stuff and wait on the mountain top?

**Marrow Man** · #19 (**permalink**) 02-06-2009, 03:59 PM

88 Reasons -- that would be Edgar Whisenant. I believe that after 1988 came and went, he reedited the book and more copies were sold (I guess with a different title) in 1989.

Here's the Wiki entry for him:

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Edgar C. Whisenant (September 25, 1932 – May 16, 2001), a former NASA engineer and Bible student, who predicted the Rapture would occur in 1988, sometime between Sept. 11 and Sept. 13. He published two books about this: 88 Reasons Why the Rapture Could Be in 1988 and On Borrowed Time. Eventually, 300,000 copies of 88 Reasons were mailed free of charge to ministers across America, and 4.5 million copies were sold in bookstores and elsewhere. Whisenant was quoted as saying "Only if the Bible is in error am I wrong; and I say that to every preacher in town," and "[I]f there were a king in this country and I could gamble with my life, I would stake my life on Rosh Hashana 88."

Whisenant's predictions were taken seriously in some parts of the evangelical Christian community. As the great day approached, regular programming on the Christian Trinity Broadcast Network (TBN) was interrupted to provide special instructions on preparing for the Rapture.

When the predicted Rapture failed to occur, Whisenant followed up with later books with predictions for various dates in 1989, 1993, and 1994. These books did not sell in quantity. Whisenant continued to issue various Rapture predictions through 1997, but gathered little attention.

***VictorBravo*** · #20 (**permalink**) 02-06-2009, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by discipulo

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Originally Posted by victorbravo

BTW, when I saw the thread title I thought it was about HAL the computer.

This is a mere curiosity from 2001 Space Oddity,

try to replace each letter of HAL for each following letter of the alphabet… IBM

A disguised sponsor

I am BeMused!

**Marrow Man** · #21 (**permalink**) 02-06-2009, 04:03 PM

There's also this about Whisenant:

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After his "few weeks" had transpired, Whisenant finally saw his error. He claimed that he had made a slight miscalculation of one year because of a fluke in the Gregorian calendar. Jesus was actually going to return during Rosh Hashanah of 1989! Whisenant published his discovery in The Final Shout--Rapture Report 1989. "The time is short," he said. "Everything points to it." This publication was subsequently retitled The Final Shout--Rapture Report 1990 and has since been re-titled yearly as The Final Shout--Rapture Report 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 and so on. He continues to revise his date annually.

Thomas2007 · #22 (**permalink**) 02-06-2009, 06:17 PM

Right now in my life, I sure could go for that Rapture thing. The great thing, though, since I left dispensationalism so many years ago, is that being included in the Rapture is based upon being regenerated and not belief in the Rapture! So, my bases are covered.

Davidius · #23 (**permalink**) 02-06-2009, 06:25 PM

Uh...I don't think I'll be reading Worldnetdaily anymore.

steven-nemes · #24 (**permalink**) 02-06-2009, 06:39 PM

Funny you guys should talk about 2001, I did a brief presentation on the book in a class of mine today... The "Jupiter and Beyond the Infinite" is bliss in the film (probably the only part I like, now that I look back on it) but pure torture in the novel...

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Hamas continues to attack Israel with rocket attacks for the sheer joy of the violence of it all. Related to this, the Prophet Obadiah pronounced this verdict against Edom, who is one of the forefathers of the people of Hamas, saying, "Because of violence to your brother Jacob, you will be covered with shame, and you will be cut off forever." Interestingly, the word translated as "violence" in this Scripture is the Hebrew word, chamac, pronounced "hamas."

Is that even true?

Skyler · #25 (**permalink**) 02-06-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by steven-nemes

Funny you guys should talk about 2001, I did a brief presentation on the book in a class of mine today... The "Jupiter and Beyond the Infinite" is bliss in the film (probably the only part I like, now that I look back on it) but pure torture in the novel...

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Hamas continues to attack Israel with rocket attacks for the sheer joy of the violence of it all. Related to this, the Prophet Obadiah pronounced this verdict against Edom, who is one of the forefathers of the people of Hamas, saying, "Because of violence to your brother Jacob, you will be covered with shame, and you will be cut off forever." Interestingly, the word translated as "violence" in this Scripture is the Hebrew word, chamac, pronounced "hamas."

Is that even true?

According to my Strong's Notes in e-Sword, it's pronounced khaw-mawce'.

So unless that's how you pronounce Hamas(not how I pronounce it) then no.

bookslover · #26 (**permalink**) 02-07-2009, 01:48 AM

Hal Lindsey - every time that dude writes a book (gotta keep all those alimony checks to all those multiple ex-wives funded!) he sets back the serious study of prophecy 20 years...

Jon Lake · #27 (**permalink**) 02-07-2009, 11:44 AM

I get a little sad when he does a book. My Father-in-Law reads his stuff, I think he (my pop-in-law) is a genuine Christian but sadly a lot of good Christians get his stuff, it really is a pity. I cannot say Hal is a "good writer" but I concede that he works with an effective emotional appeal. This it what lures a lot of people.

Adelphos · #28 (**permalink**) 02-07-2009, 11:56 AM

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Zero hour approaches

I thought Zero Hour was way back there in 1984? Hhmmm...could Hal be mistaken...AGAIN?!?

Just another: Late Great Planet Earth update!

TimV · #29 (**permalink**) 02-07-2009, 11:58 AM

You do pronounce the word in Hebrew with the "kh" sound, which is kind of like the G in Dutch, or ch "loch" in Scots etc....

Some neonazis point out that the Space Shuttle Columbia went down over Palestine, Texas, and a Jew who bombed a French built reactor in Iraq killing several civilians was on board, and that is strong evidence that God punished the Columbia for the way Jews treat Palestinians.

There is another thread currently active where those sorts of explanations of God's providence in history are being used.

Rich Koster · #30 (**permalink**) 02-07-2009, 09:29 PM

My wife has been having some dreams lately. I think I'll make them into a sermon series and get my friend Cyrus to incorporate the footnotes from it into a new study Bible. Then I'll get some other people to print some more books on theories that cram my footnotes into prophetic time lines to fund my retirement. Naaah, no one will ever buy it.

Jon Lake · #31 (**permalink**) 02-07-2009, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich Koster

My wife has been having some dreams lately. I think I'll make them into a sermon series and get my friend Cyrus to incorporate the footnotes from it into a new study Bible. Then I'll get some other people to print some more books on theories that cram my footnotes into prophetic time lines to fund my retirement. Naaah, no one will ever buy it.

Let's ALL eat a medium pizza with the works before we sleep tonight, meet back here on PB collate our dreams get Chris Coldwell to edit/publish the end result and split the proceeds!

Rich Koster · #32 (**permalink**) 02-07-2009, 09:49 PM

I prefer pepperoni and sausage with a few hot wings as a backup.

sis · #33 (**permalink**) 02-18-2009, 05:12 AM

I don't know anything about Hal Lindsey's personal past, but his political commentary is second to none. Linked from DRUDGE REPORT 2009®.

Not sure I understand all above posts, but Romans 11:25 is final word to me.

What about Zec 12: 1-3? Also, Zech 12:10-- the Jews are saved by grace in the end, not by any special "deals" (as suggested by some non-Reformed pastors).

uberkermit · #34 (**permalink**) 02-18-2009, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Southern Presbyterian

Hal Lindsey, that ole serial adulterer, who believes him any more?!

I was wondering where there is some substantial evidence of this claim. When I searched this out on Google, I was not able to find any credible reports. I found mostly just the same claims being made on other forums. I do not ask this, because I doubt the claim being made, but on account of it being so serious; I trust that none of us wish to be propagating libel. I know people who are more into Hal Lindsey than they should be, and before I inform them of this news, I would like to know for certain of its truth.

**Marrow Man** · #35 (**permalink**) 02-18-2009, 10:41 AM

This is probably a reference to his multiple marriages/divorces. I'm not sure if they were for biblical reasons, so with remarriages, there would be grounds for the charge of adultery.

uberkermit · #36 (**permalink**) 02-18-2009, 11:36 AM

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This is probably a reference to his multiple marriages/divorces. I'm not sure if they were for biblical reasons, so with remarriages, there would be grounds for the charge of adultery.

Yes. Though the material is not easily dug up, it can be found with a bit of work. He has been married to Rose, Jan (three daughters from this marriage), Kim, and currently JoLyn. I suppose one would be hard pressed to believe that he was faultless in each of the four cases.