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    Hagee Is A Calvinist

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    What next?...The Pope is a Protestant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Ritchie View Post
    What next?...The Pope is a Protestant.
    Only when he is in the woods.
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    Hagee is a Calvinist and I am actually a Presbyterian mole in Baptist churches.
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    I admit I havent read many of Calvin's works but I must have completely missed the statements he made about the Holocaust being God's will to restore Israel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by North Jersey Baptist View Post
    Hagee is a Calvinist and I am actually a Presbyterian mole in Baptist churches.
    I kinda thought that was true, Bill. The mole thing, anyway.
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    In those first set of words, "Franky Schaeffer loves to make a fool of himself," is that referring to Francis Schaeffer or about someone else?

    I'm personally very leery about Chalcedon Foundation, considering CARM's report about its founder, R.J. Rushdoony.
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    What's a CARM and where does your link say anything specific about Rushdoony?
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    I'm personally very leery about Chalcedon Foundation, considering CARM's report about its founder, R.J. Rushdoony.
    You would probably be surprised that are several theonomists on this site. I am not a theonomist, however I would not be leery about Rushdoony nor any of the theonomists on this site. I actually have received much understanding as a result of the teachings of theonomists.
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    What's a CARM and where does your link say anything specific about Rushdoony?
    CARM is Christian Apologetic Research Ministries. The link is a critic of Theonomy and claims the doctrine arose from Rushdoony's work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimV View Post
    What's a CARM and where does your link say anything specific about Rushdoony?
    Tim, click on the link and Rushdoony is mentioned right in the first paragraph. And CARM standards for Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry, also the very first set of words on the upper left-hand corner of the link's screen page.

    Did you click on the link and read it?

    Also, although taken with some grains of salt, Wikipedia's report is equally interesting about Chalcedon Foundation and Rushdoony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonoftheday View Post
    I'm personally very leery about Chalcedon Foundation, considering CARM's report about its founder, R.J. Rushdoony.
    You would probably be surprised that are several theonomists on this site. I am not a theonomist, however I would not be leery about Rushdoony nor any of the theonomists on this site. I actually have received much understanding as a result of the teachings of theonomists.
    Personally, I would then put Chalcedon Foundation and its proponents in the same theologically distorted boat with Hagee.
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    Tim, click on the link and Rushdoony is mentioned right in the first paragraph. And CARM standards for Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry, also the very first set of words on the upper left-hand corner of the link's screen page.

    Did you click on the link and read it?
    Yes, and I read

    Christian Reconstructionism (also known as theonomy) is a highly controversial movement within some conservative Christian circles. It maintains that the world should be brought under (reconstructed) the lordship of Jesus Christ in all areas: social, moral, political, judicial, military, family, art, education, music, etc.
    Which is true, they believe this, and it doesn't bother me.
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    Personally, I would then put Chalcedon Foundation and its proponents in the same theologically distorted boat with Hagee.
    The only problem here is Hagee isnt in the Theologically Distorted boat, he is in the antichrist boat. He denies Jesus Christ is the messiah.
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    ****AHEM****

    This thread will not become a thread about the validity/invalidity of Theonomy or Christian Reconstructionism. That can be hashed out in a new/different thread. Focus on the article at hand, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by servantofmosthigh View Post
    In those first set of words, "Franky Schaeffer loves to make a fool of himself," is that referring to Francis Schaeffer or about someone else?
    No, it's talking about Francis' Schaeffer's son, who has rejected the Reformed Faith. I think he's Eastern Orthodox now, or something like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonoftheday View Post
    Personally, I would then put Chalcedon Foundation and its proponents in the same theologically distorted boat with Hagee.
    The only problem here is Hagee isnt in the Theologically Distorted boat, he is in the antichrist boat. He denies Jesus Christ is the messiah.
    On that, I didn't know about Hagee. If that's the case, then you're probably correct to sail him off on a different boat.
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    not so!

    Oh, please! A Chalcedon blogger, not Chalcedon Foundation, quotes Franky as saying Hagee is a Calvinist. The blogger gave the link to Franky's actual post, which says nothing of the kind.

    Franky makes some hyperbolic broadsides against Dispensationalism, incorrectly labeling it as all evangelicals.

    Most of what he says about Dispensationalism and its influence on the religious right in this country, is actually true, in my view.


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    Quote Originally Posted by joshua View Post
    ****AHEM****

    This thread will not become a thread about the validity/invalidity of Theonomy or Christian Reconstructionism. That can be hashed out in a new/different thread. Focus on the article at hand, please.

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    Hagee used to be different too. He used to be. A long time ago before his TBN days. Bad company corrupts your morals. I agree with haiglaw too. But I served. That's all you need to know.

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    The only problem here is Hagee isnt in the Theologically Distorted boat, he is in the antichrist boat. He denies Jesus Christ is the messiah.
    Can you elaborate? That seems a bit harsh.
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    I don't know that Hagee has changed, and I certainly would not call him an anti-Christ.

    We used to worship there, when in San Antonio, before dispensationalism became so offensive to me.

    But as far as I know, Hagee has always been a dispensationalist.

    My first pastor, Dr. Duane Spencer, also from San Antonio, was both a dispensationalist and a Calvinist, until 1977 when he rejected dispensationalism and was welcomed into the OPC.


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    Here are links to two threads where John Hagee's Apostasy has been discussed.
    John Hagee: Jesus Did NOT Come to be the Messiah
    John Hagee: No Need for Jesus

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    The only problem here is Hagee isnt in the Theologically Distorted boat, he is in the antichrist boat. He denies Jesus Christ is the messiah.
    Can you elaborate? That seems a bit harsh.
    I don't know that Hagee has changed, and I certainly would not call him an anti-Christ.

    We used to worship there, when in San Antonio, before dispensationalism became so offensive to me.

    But as far as I know, Hagee has always been a dispensationalist.

    My first pastor, Dr. Duane Spencer, also from San Antonio, was both a dispensationalist and a Calvinist, until 1977 when he rejected dispensationalism and was welcomed into the OPC.
    Antichrist: I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie is of the truth. Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also.
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    But that's the New and Improved TBN Hagee. The old Baptist Hagee was different. Sigh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonoftheday View Post
    Here are links to two threads where John Hagee's Apostasy has been discussed.
    John Hagee: Jesus Did NOT Come to be the Messiah
    John Hagee: No Need for Jesus
    OK, thanks. I was unaware of all that.

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