The Chalcedon Foundation - Faith for All of Life

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1689 Baptist Confession

Psa 55:16 As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me.
Psa 55:17 Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice.
James Farley, Wilderness Road Baptist Assembly.
Husband of Melissa and father of Ann.
www.wildernessroadbaptist.org

INDEED!

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Donald P. Grubb
theol46@embarqmail.com

Berean Baptist Church, Mansfield, OH
Mansfield, OH

John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing.
The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

What next?...The Pope is a Protestant.

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Daniel Ritchie
Saintfield, Northern Ireland - Queen's University, Belfast:History/Politics
Member of Dromara Reformed Presbyterian Church of Ireland (Covenanter)

Only when he is in the woods.

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Pax,
Richard Elliott
Midlothian, Virginia
Deacon, Presbyterian Church in America
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I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. , C. S. Lewis

Hagee is a Calvinist and I am actually a Presbyterian mole in Baptist churches.

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Bill Brown
Elder
Grace Baptist Church
Anne Arundel County, Maryland

Click to get: Board Rules -- Signature Requirements -- Suggestions?

I admit I havent read many of Calvin's works but I must have completely missed the statements he made about the Holocaust being God's will to restore Israel.

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Bryan Riddle
1689 London Baptist Confession
Bethel Baptist Church Owasso, Oklahoma

I kinda thought that was true, Bill. The mole thing, anyway.

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Brad
PCA Member
Virginia

Pro 16:33 The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof is of the LORD.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

In those first set of words, "Franky Schaeffer loves to make a fool of himself," is that referring to Francis Schaeffer or about someone else?

I'm personally very leery about Chalcedon Foundation, considering CARM's report about its founder, R.J. Rushdoony.

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Will Shin
Rockville, MD

What's a CARM and where does your link say anything specific about Rushdoony?

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Tim Vaughan, 48 years old, member PCA church but currently attending EV Free church. San Luis Obispo County, California.

You would probably be surprised that are several theonomists on this site. I am not a theonomist, however I would not be leery about Rushdoony nor any of the theonomists on this site. I actually have received much understanding as a result of the teachings of theonomists.

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Bryan Riddle
1689 London Baptist Confession
Bethel Baptist Church Owasso, Oklahoma

CARM is Christian Apologetic Research Ministries. The link is a critic of Theonomy and claims the doctrine arose from Rushdoony's work.

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Bryan Riddle
1689 London Baptist Confession
Bethel Baptist Church Owasso, Oklahoma

Tim, click on the link and Rushdoony is mentioned right in the first paragraph. And CARM standards for Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry, also the very first set of words on the upper left-hand corner of the link's screen page.

Did you click on the link and read it?

Also, although taken with some grains of salt, Wikipedia's report is equally interesting about Chalcedon Foundation and Rushdoony.

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Will Shin
Rockville, MD

Personally, I would then put Chalcedon Foundation and its proponents in the same theologically distorted boat with Hagee.

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Will Shin
Rockville, MD

Yes, and I read

Which is true, they believe this, and it doesn't bother me.

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Tim Vaughan, 48 years old, member PCA church but currently attending EV Free church. San Luis Obispo County, California.

The only problem here is Hagee isnt in the Theologically Distorted boat, he is in the antichrist boat. He denies Jesus Christ is the messiah.

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Bryan Riddle
1689 London Baptist Confession
Bethel Baptist Church Owasso, Oklahoma

****AHEM****

This thread will not become a thread about the validity/invalidity of Theonomy or Christian Reconstructionism. That can be hashed out in a new/different thread. Focus on the article at hand, please.

Thanks!

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Josh Hicks, Chloë's Daddy
Member of TRBC. My Blog
The Puritan Pub (Team Blog)
Board Rules -- Signature Requirements -- Suggestions?

No, it's talking about Francis' Schaeffer's son, who has rejected the Reformed Faith. I think he's Eastern Orthodox now, or something like that.

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Josh Hicks, Chloë's Daddy
Member of TRBC. My Blog
The Puritan Pub (Team Blog)
Board Rules -- Signature Requirements -- Suggestions?

On that, I didn't know about Hagee. If that's the case, then you're probably correct to sail him off on a different boat.

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Will Shin
Rockville, MD

Oh, please! A Chalcedon blogger, not Chalcedon Foundation, quotes Franky as saying Hagee is a Calvinist. The blogger gave the link to Franky's actual post, which says nothing of the kind.

Franky makes some hyperbolic broadsides against Dispensationalism, incorrectly labeling it as all evangelicals.

Most of what he says about Dispensationalism and its influence on the religious right in this country, is actually true, in my view.

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HaigLaw, ruling elder
Grace PCA, Shreveport, LA
http://www.xanga.com/HaigLaw

BUT JOSH, I dig the new avatar! (Carry on Brethren )

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~etexas~

Hagee used to be different too. He used to be. A long time ago before his TBN days. Bad company corrupts your morals. I agree with haiglaw too. But I served. That's all you need to know.

Nice avatar Josh. That's a keeper!!!

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Timothy Johnson
First United Presbyterian of Moline
PCUSA (Yea, I know)
Theology/Philosophy Sunday School Teacher
Davenport, IA

Can you elaborate? That seems a bit harsh.

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Aaron Josh Wright
Second Baptist Chruch, Humble Tx
New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary

I don't know that Hagee has changed, and I certainly would not call him an anti-Christ.

We used to worship there, when in San Antonio, before dispensationalism became so offensive to me.

But as far as I know, Hagee has always been a dispensationalist.

My first pastor, Dr. Duane Spencer, also from San Antonio, was both a dispensationalist and a Calvinist, until 1977 when he rejected dispensationalism and was welcomed into the OPC.

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HaigLaw, ruling elder
Grace PCA, Shreveport, LA
http://www.xanga.com/HaigLaw

Here are links to two threads where John Hagee's Apostasy has been discussed.
John Hagee: Jesus Did NOT Come to be the Messiah
John Hagee: No Need for Jesus