Other than MaCarthur, are there many?

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Interesting.

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I guess a Dispie Calvinist is trying to get the best of both worlds.

On one hand they have one foot entrenched in the Calvinistic community, thereby being privy to the well written works of the reformers. They therefore sound smart when they speak to their evangelical ilk. One the other hand they have another foot entrenched in Dispyism so as to garner a good share of the evangelical rapture crowd. Because of this, they will be able to enjoy being on many radio stations around the country, and will be able to churn out sensational works for profit.

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Keon, that may be true about some of the present popular writers (I don't know anything about them). But the early Plymouth Brethren were Calvinists, and many of them still are. I worshipped with some until about three or four years ago.

And they were that way before the era of bestselling blockbusters. Most of their writings were published in the hundreds, not the thousands.

Much of what Darby wrote was Calvinistic, but sometimes it is hard to tell what he is talking about at all. McIntosh tried not to be either a Calvinist or an Arminian, because he thought they both were too restricting.

Vic

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Arthur W. Pink was a Calvinist dispensational in his earlier years.

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Precision:

Dispensationalists Who Believe in the Doctrines of Grace.

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Perhaps that should be precessionists. Push one way and the resulting movement is 90 degrees off.



Just to add a bit to my experience, the Brethren I know take the word of God very seriously and really try to understand and be obedient. In fact, this attitude caused me to study hard and to learn elementary Greek and Hebrew. Ironically, I ended up not believing dispensationalism because of their encouragement to study.

In their studies, they would often denounce Scofield because he advocated two forms of salvation. Even though they believed in a rapture, they also denounced the Tim LaHay version because it gave people a second chance. To a man they held that when the Lord returns, time's up.

Vic

Dispensationalism, in its classic form, was an amagamation between Darbyism and revivalism, so it has gone places Darby probably wouldn't want to go. John Macarthur hasn't written any sensationalist stuff about the rapture lately, he writes about Lordship salvation(pro), the Word of God, and other non-sensational stuff.

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Calvinist dispys ^^

What pushed you over the edge to dismiss your Dispensationalism? Particular text? Book? ...curious.

There are some others. Erwin Lutzer and S. Lewis Johnson come immediately to mind. I've seen David Jeremiah described as a "Calvinist" too, and he's certainly pre trib. I think some at SBTS may fall in this category too, but I'm not sure.

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There are a few at SBTS and DTS.

but you guys should actually take time and interact (not just on a computer) with folks who hold the dispy viewpoint. You'll find that some are much different than the 'dispensational strawman' that I see attacked in this thread.

Interesting observation: dispensational eschatology has and operates on Calvinistic presuppositions.

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Same here

Convinced Calvinist ( errr... edited: of the Doctrines of Grace in the last 3 years

Shed Dispensationalism shortly after that. Still not completely sure what God's truth is concerning His return, but I'm somewhere between Amil and Post. Gentry's book on the Dating of Revelations has been a real eye opener for me. Is there a "standard" book for each of these?

I know that Boettner was most helpful in clearing up the notion of Predestination with his wonderful book.

[Edited on 4-29-2006 by caddy]

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Could the Scofield, New Scofield, and Scofield III Study Bibles properly be termed Calvanistic and Dispensational? It seems so to me.

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Really?

I knew one over at Rapture Ready.com

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From Gerstners 'Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth':

Scofields unambiguous statement "Salvific grace is a new testament phenomenom" and "legal obedience to the law was the condition of salvation in the OT while faith in Christ is the condition of the NT".

Pg 171

Two ways of salvation are antibiblical and heretical. Dispensationalism is not Calvinism; they are polar opposites.

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Scott,
Curious. Which writings of Scofield did Gerstner get these quotes from?
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A reoccurring thought:

Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

What is Al Mohler's position? Since he is in the SBC I would guess pre-mil dispensationalism... Just curious since his name hasn't been brought up yet.

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Ummm...Keon, your implications disturb me. I was a Dispensational Calvinist until two years ago. Never once did I view my dispensationalism other than from the fact that it was the correct interpretation of scripture. I would be careful about painting with a wide brush. You don't know the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

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In the Fall 2000 Westminster Theological Journal (62:2, p.281), there was an article by Stephen Nichols entitled "A Brief Exchange Between Lewis Sperry Chafer and J Gresham Mechan". In it he quotes from a letter from Chafer to Mechan in which he wrote "Our theology as well as the interpretation of the Scripture in every department is strictly Calvinistic, far more so than the usual denominational seminary is today"
In a later letter from LSC's brother Rollin, Rollin wrote of Dallas Theological Seminary (at the time known as Evangelical Theological College) to JGM "œI suppose no seminary in America is more rigidly Calvinistic than we are."�
Obviously, this did not hold up over time, but the original intent was for DTS to be Calvinistic and Dispensational.
As to other churches, see Believer's Chapel in Dallas Texas under the leadership of S. Lewis Johnson.

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