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| | | I am encouraged by this news. I hope they follow through in May. Thanks for the update.
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Originally Posted by ADKing I am encouraged by this news. I hope they follow through in May. Thanks for the update. |
This is good news indeed. Underlying todays events, I hope that WTS PA moves back toward its militant stand for confessionally reformed Orthodoxy. IMHO We need more men like Stonehouse, Murray, Machen and Van Til. I love my friends who broad evangelicals, but I want to persuade them of my theological convictions, and not to become more like them hoping they will except my views on soteriology. May the lord grant the men at WTS PA wisdom and humble hearts in how to proceed.  | | The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Josiah For This Useful Post: | | 
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anyway, good move for WTS. | 
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This is good news indeed. Underlying todays events, I hope that WTS PA moves back toward its militant stand for confessionally reformed Orthodoxy. IMHO We need more men like Stonehouse, Murray, Machen and Van Til. I love my friends who broad evangelicals, but I want to persuade them of my theological convictions, and not to become more like them hoping they will except my views on soteriology. May the lord grant the men at WTS PA wisdom and humble hearts in how to proceed.
| These kinds of discussions are grievous. During my college days at Westmont, I lived through the theological Sturm und Drang when one of my profs (who had been one of T.F. Torrance's students) was judged to be too neo-orthodox, so he ended up at Fuller (where he became my teacher again). Then, my major prof in college (32 units of courses and the one who officiated at my wedding!) was voted out of the Evangelical Theological Society (a few years after my graduation) for publishing a Midrashic interpretation of Matthew's Gospel.
Times have changed. Now, the broadly evangelical movement appears totally tone deaf to matters of heterodoxy and breaches of boundaries. One cannot even get voted out of the ETS for holding Open Theism views! From what I see in recent seminary grads from several of the standard broadly evangelical schools, we have reason to fear that, inch by inch, profs are erasing the theological boundaries and expanding the zone of acceptable uncertainty.
So, part of me grieves whenever any institution feels compelled to suspend or terminate a prof for the breach of theological boundaries. And, Enns' work is largely unknown to me (other than a couple of reviews). However, along with Josiah, you have to admire an institution that takes its confessional commitments seriously. Without vigilant trustees, we would be only a couple of generations away from rank heresy and even apostasy.
For those of you who know WTS, what do you expect the outcome to be in this case? Were his views truly outside the pale?
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| | | What was his book about which seemed to stirup the controversy?
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Originally Posted by ADKing I am encouraged by this news. I hope they follow through in May. Thanks for the update. | How can you say this? He is a brother in the Lord with a family...
concerned,
John
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| | | John, are you sure what is behind Rev. King's comments? A seminary professor may indeed be a brother in the Lord with a family, but he influences others who also are brothers in the Lord with families. I am not speaking specifically of Peter Enns, but of any teacher of the word of God that replaces truth with error. WTS-Philly is handling this matter and we pray they do the right thing in the sight of God. Perhaps it is because he has a family that his suspension does not begin until the end of the term.
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Originally Posted by North Jersey Baptist John, are you sure what is behind Rev. King's comments? A seminary professor may indeed be a brother in the Lord with a family, but he influences others who also are brothers in the Lord with families. I am not speaking specifically of Peter Enns, but of any teacher of the word of God that replaces truth with error. WTS-Philly is handling this matter and we pray they do the right thing in the sight of God. Perhaps it is because he has a family that his suspension does not begin until the end of the term. | Bill
I am only responding to the words on the page, nothing more.
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| | | Someone being suspended even if they are wrong is a grievous occasion. Sometimes things like this have to be done, but it is sad. The temptations for gossip and gloating can be all too strong.
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Originally Posted by ADKing I am encouraged by this news. I hope they follow through in May. Thanks for the update. |
This is good news indeed. Underlying todays events, I hope that WTS PA moves back toward its militant stand for confessionally reformed Orthodoxy. IMHO We need more men like Stonehouse, Murray, Machen and Van Til. I love my friends who broad evangelicals, but I want to persuade them of my theological convictions, and not to become more like them hoping they will except my views on soteriology. May the lord grant the men at WTS PA wisdom and humble hearts in how to proceed.  | Which is why having Carl Trueman in charge over there is a great thing. | | The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Backwoods Presbyterian For This Useful Post: | | 
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Originally Posted by North Jersey Baptist John, are you sure what is behind Rev. King's comments? A seminary professor may indeed be a brother in the Lord with a family, but he influences others who also are brothers in the Lord with families. I am not speaking specifically of Peter Enns, but of any teacher of the word of God that replaces truth with error. WTS-Philly is handling this matter and we pray they do the right thing in the sight of God. Perhaps it is because he has a family that his suspension does not begin until the end of the term. | Bill
I am only responding to the words on the page, nothing more.
John | Then perhaps you should have taken a look at the reason Bill said what he did before you commented?
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| | | So can anyone give a synopsis and a review of this book which seems to have gotten this proff into hot water. What is so scandalous?
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Originally Posted by Pergamum So can anyone give a synopsis and a review of this book which seems to have gotten this proff into hot water. What is so scandalous? | A brief review is found here at the OPC website.
A longer one with much more substantive discussion of the book's problems, at Reformation21.
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Originally Posted by Pergamum So can anyone give a synopsis and a review of this book which seems to have gotten this proff into hot water. What is so scandalous? | A brief review is found here at the OPC website.
A longer one with much more substantive discussion of the book's problems, at Reformation21. | The review on the OPC website is most helpful. The Reformation21 critique is also excellent. Thanks!!! | 
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