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Old 12-12-2006, 10:58 PM
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Brown to reinstate RUF

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Old 12-12-2006, 11:08 PM
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Furthermore, The Providence Journal reported today that OCRL has laid out four steps that the fellowship must take to be reinstated, including filing forms on time and communicating with “full transparency.”
I hope that RUF's representation refuses to have RUF take the four steps, because by "agreeing" to do so they'd be acknowledging guilt of having not "communica[ed] with 'full transparency' " in the past. And since the University cannot/will not substantiate their accusations calling into question RUF's integrity, it'd be a blunder to submit to these steps if it includes the "full transparency" clause.
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Old 12-12-2006, 11:13 PM
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I hope that RUF's representation refuses to have RUF take the four steps, because by "agreeing" to do so they'd be acknowledging guilt of having not "communica[ed] with 'full transparency' " in the past. And since the University cannot/will not substantiate their accusations calling into question RUF's integrity, it'd be a blunder to submit to these steps if it includes the "full transparency" clause.
I agree if the "full transparency" and 4 steps that are conditions for reinstatement are above and beyond what is asked of other groups.
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Old 12-12-2006, 11:33 PM
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I agree if the "full transparency" and 4 steps that are conditions for reinstatement are above and beyond what is asked of other groups.
Granted, but if it's been asked of other groups, then it's already been asked of RUF and needs not be revisited. There should be no "restoration", as if RUF had done something wrong in the first place.

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Old 12-12-2006, 11:48 PM
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Granted, but if it's been asked of other groups, then it's already been asked of RUF and needs not be revisited. There should be no "restoration", as if RUF had done something wrong in the first place.

I understand where you are coming from. The university is most likely just trying to save face at this point. IMO they already have egg on their face. IF RUF can be reinstated and minister unhindered, I say that's the way to go. Besides, aren't we told that love
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Old 12-12-2006, 11:54 PM
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I have no qualms about them suffering a wrong in love, but I think we as Christians ought also be careful and not do that which could be seen as an implicit (or explicit) admission of guilt by acknowledging (again, whether implicit or explicit) something that we didn't do wrongly in the first place. In this case, there is no proof substantiating any wrongdoing by RUF (concerning the "full transparency" thing); thus, it follows they shouldn't follow these four steps if:

a) They originally did this when forming as a group initially1

or

b) They're not guilty of violating such.

I'm not sure if what I have typed is even coherent. Sometimes my thoughts lack good translation into paragraph.
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I have no qualms about them suffering a wrong in love, but I think we as Christians ought also be careful and not do that which could be seen as an implicit (or explicit) admission of guilt by acknowledging (again, whether implicit or explicit) something that we didn't do wrongly in the first place. In this case, there is no proof substantiating any wrongdoing by RUF (concerning the "full transparency" thing); thus, it follows they shouldn't follow these four steps if:

a) They originally did this when forming as a group initially1

or

b) They're not guilty of violating such.

I'm not sure if what I have typed is even coherent. Sometimes my thoughts lack good translation into paragraph.
The "full transparency" language is quite ironic considering that the stated reasoning behind RUF's ouster appears to be about as far from transparent as you can get.
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Old 12-13-2006, 12:59 AM
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The "full transparency" language is quite ironic considering that the stated reasoning behind RUF's ouster appears to be about as far from transparent as you can get.
Exactly.
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