For those who watched the Superbowl... - Page 2

Amazing Grace · #41 (**permalink**) 02-06-2008, 02:12 PM

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I find many today who will confess they strive out of gratitude, still do it to earn God's favor in their heart. I should have been more clear Larry. Therefore we, myself included, are not different from the jew in this aspect. The problem is they strove on their own without Christ mediating, just as we do constantly. I just cant figure out why God would leave it up to me to increase my sanctification on my own. Yet many times I told to do it...

I don't agree that the Jews who rejected Christ kept the Law out of gratitude for their salvation...they kept it to keep their salvation. Frankly, i don't know how they could have done it from gratitude since they did not receive salvation in Christ to be grateful for to begin with.

If we do good works to make God a debtor to us...to earn His love...then we should reform our thinking. God loves us because of who we are found in, Jesus Christ, not because of what we do. We show our love to God by what we do, we don't earn His love toward us...Christ did that.

Talking past each other I hope Larry.

The Jew strove to keep Law to earn God's favor ie blessing/curses. This was clearly revealed to them. So I really do not blame them for it. I admit I still do the same without the Power of Christ and what He did for His sheep. THis is a wrong approach to sanctification. When I become 'the little engine that could', I fail miserably. And I know of many who from their lips speak of striving out of gratitude, but in their heart, in their closet, they do it to earn God's favor..

larryjf · #42 (**permalink**) 02-06-2008, 02:56 PM

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Talking past each other I hope Larry.

The Jew strove to keep Law to earn God's favor ie blessing/curses. This was clearly revealed to them. So I really do not blame them for it. I admit I still do the same without the Power of Christ and what He did for His sheep. THis is a wrong approach to sanctification. When I become 'the little engine that could', I fail miserably. And I know of many who from their lips speak of striving out of gratitude, but in their heart, in their closet, they do it to earn God's favor..

We may be talking past each other...one of the drawbacks of online discussions as opposed to face-to-face.

What are you saying that God clearly revealed to them? Certainly not that salvation was gained through works, right? Through the sacrificial system it was shown to the Jews that they could not earn their salvation by their works because they needed a sacrifice for their sins.

Amazing Grace · #43 (**permalink**) 02-06-2008, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by larryjf

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Talking past each other I hope Larry.

The Jew strove to keep Law to earn God's favor ie blessing/curses. This was clearly revealed to them. So I really do not blame them for it. I admit I still do the same without the Power of Christ and what He did for His sheep. THis is a wrong approach to sanctification. When I become 'the little engine that could', I fail miserably. And I know of many who from their lips speak of striving out of gratitude, but in their heart, in their closet, they do it to earn God's favor..

We may be talking past each other...one of the drawbacks of online discussions as opposed to face-to-face.

What are you saying that God clearly revealed to them? Certainly not that salvation was gained through works, right? Through the sacrificial system it was shown to the Jews that they could not earn their salvation by their works because they needed a sacrifice for their sins.

That blessings/curses were attached to Law. That is all I am saying. I have no clue what a jew thinks about salvation. This is never spoken of in scripture from their viewpoint. They are only concerned with the temporal aspect of relating to God. Law blinded them so much, they did not even recognize the fulfillment of all prophecy reagrding Messiah Christ.

Anyway, perhaps were are off topic. My original intent remains as before:

He repeatedly challenged the Pharisees on the points they would consider most holy, to find out if they could somehow elevate their minds beyond their own traditions. ANd they could not. They became more hardened, save nicodemus. the Lord Jesus found a people who had thoroughly created their own traditions with the word of God. They zealously strove to protect both themselves and the Torah with their "fences," but those fences obstructed their view of the Messiah. They couldn’t see the signs of God’s son when he preached and healed in their very presence. So blind were they because of tradition, they couldn’t see a man walking who had never walked before, they only saw a man carrying a mat on the Sabbath, forbidden by their traditions.

The Jewish leaders self sanctification meant nothing in God’s eyes and still is repulsive towards Him.. The Sabbath had/has a greater meaning than doing it as a command or sanctification on our own. So the Lord Jesus went right to their perceived stronghold, they themselves burdened the people with picayune rules and nonsense.

Hence I watched the Superbowl with a clean heart. not needing repentance for watching it