What on earth does that have to do with what Scripture teaches Scott?

David

[Edited on 8-28-2005 by just_grace]

"There is nothing which the Lord enjoins more strictly
than the religious observance of his Sabbath, in other words resting from our works; but in nothing
do we show greater reluctance than to renounce our own works,."

Calvin's Institutes

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Scott Bushey
Husband to Tina, father to Nicole, Danielle and Zoe
Member First Presbyterian Church of Margate PCA

The scriptures teach to keep the sabbath. You mentioned Calvin, as if he taught not to keep the sabbath.

[Edited on 8-28-2005 by Scott Bushey]

Then why try to keep 'one point' of the Law?

Who said we only should try to keep one point? As of recent, I have been trainning myself to be grieved over my chronic assault of the 1st commandment.

Not what I had in mind, just the fact that he stood up to what he saw was wrong, like Luther. I have the right to do so to.

Exactly, we cannot keep the law, hence Grace. We uphold it yes, but do not live by it, we should be in the Spirit now. Surely!

David, you have some really unscriptural notions of the Law. No one here is suggesting that in keeping the Sabbath we aim to save ourselves, which is what the scriptures you keep citing are condemning. However, as the RP testimony aptly puts it, keeping the law, albeit imperfectly, is the proper expression of thankfulness and love for Christ saving us.

WCF: XIX:VI. Although true believers be not under the law, as a covenant of works, to be thereby justified, or condemned;[11] yet is it of great use to them, as well as to others; in that, as a rule of life informing them of the will of God, and their duty, it directs and binds them to walk accordingly;[12] discovering also the sinful pollutions of their nature, hearts and lives;[13] so as, examining themselves thereby, they may come to further conviction of, humiliation for, and hatred against sin,[14] together with a clearer sight of the need they have of Christ, and the perfection of His obedience.[15] It is likewise of use to the regenerate, to restrain their corruptions, in that it forbids sin:[16] and the threatenings of it serve to show what even their sins deserve; and what afflictions, in this life, they may expect for them, although freed from the curse thereof threatened in the law.[17] The promises of it, in like manner, show them God's approbation of obedience,and what blessings they may expect upon the performance thereof:[18] although not as due to them by the law as a covenant of works.[19] So as, a man's doing good, and refraining from evil, because the law encourages to the one and deters from the other, is no evidence of his being under the law: and not under grace.[20]

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*Peter Gray* Elkins Park RPCNA

"Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief. " Mk 9:24
"The greatest thing we can desire, next to the glory of God, is our own salvation; and the sweetest thing we can desire is the assurance of our salvation. In this life we cannot get higher than to be assured of that which in the next life is to be enjoyed. All saints shall enjoy a heaven when they leave this earth; some saints enjoy a heaven while they are here on earth." Joseph Caryl

David,
You do! However, support your premise. The only people whom hold your idea are the antinomians. Gods law is eternal.

Christians meet on the Lord's day to worship the Living and Risen Christ, not keep the Sabbath.

Just because we fail in kjeeping Gods law does not free us from being bound to it, to keep it. Grace covers, yes. However, that does not remove our responsibility.

Ok, I have to learn more, I agree, but Paul was basically accused of such.

Studying Pauls works at the moment.

What unscriptual notions of the law? It was done away with in Christ.
We are to live by the Spirit now not by a written code. Do you have the Spirit of Christ within you? Test yourselves and see. Thats what Paul taught.

Read what I said, read the Confession. The Law was done away with in what sense? What is the Law?

Do I put the confession before the Word of God?

No. But do you want to understand the word of God? If so I suggest you read it. The divines which wrote it were much smarter and gifted much more with the Holy Spirit then you or I.

Matthew 5:17-19 17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

John 14:15 15 "If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

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Chris Rhoades -33
Good Shepherd Presbyterian Church (PCA) Nashville, TN-Under Care

Vera theologia non theoretica, sed practica est; Finis siquidem eius agere est hoc est vitam vivere deiformem. - Martin Bucer
""True theology is not theoretical, but practical. The end of it is living, that is to live a godly life."

I think you spend too much time in the OT and not enough in the NT.

What is the Law?

ROM 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

You forgot the Scripture that says Christ is the end of the law for those who believe...

Also His commandment was to love one another as I have loved you.

Did you read that Galatians book you just sent me?

David

This might be time for a good disctinction...The normative perspective of ethics regards the law. It has not changed.

What is being discussed here is the motivation to keep the law. Gratitude and a proper sense of the fear of the Lord. We are called to be holy as He is holy. What better sets out what is holiness than the law of God?

We are not discussing Justfication but rather sanctification and we can all say with Paul that the good works were prepared beforehand for us to walk in them.

Philippians 2:12-13 12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, 13 for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

I believe that this stance on keeping the Sabbath is wrong in the light of the gospel and until I see otherwise I will oppose it.