Good deal! I have placed orders with Ecampus before only to find they were not in stock. RTS bookstore is a great find.

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How come nobody mentioned Dr. Frame?

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What has he written? I have to confess I've never heard of anything by him on the subject?

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What about the man who wrote that book P&R do Celebrating Sabbath?

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Based on what he wrote here he would not seem to be a strong defender of the Christian Sabbath view that is found in the Westminster Standards.

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That's good to hear; although I have been very critical of his redefinition of the RPW its refreshing to learn that Dr. Frame is so strong on the Sabbath.

That would be Bruce Ray. Amazon.com: Celebrating the Sabbath: Finding Rest...

Not just a wrong view; he doesn't know what he is talking about; out of his "safe" zone I guess. On Calvin's view, Primus settled it was a moderate (read main stream) practical Puritanism. Woody Lauer's recent piece for the CPJ pushes Calvin even closer to Puritan theory.

I'm sorry, I was telling a joke.

Is that John Frame you are talking about? I know he says that Calvin's view was different to the Puritans in that article, but that is not his own position is it?

Read the link and search down for Sabbath.

I have to say, Chris, one of the reasons I love you is that you do have genuine modesty. I know you will probably always undervalue your contribution and I know you will always give glory to Christ for all of it, but the works you are publishing have been extremely God-honouring both for the RPW and the Christian Sabbath.

I know how tirelessly you labor to edit and publish great Puritan works and the CPJ for a pittance compared to the inestimable worth that those works contain.

Whether you will ever be considered a giant is of no importance but I want to thank you for the work you do.

Son, we has smilies to let us know when yous being sarcastic.

Frame believes there is a continuing Sabbath obligation, but he is against enforcement of the Westminster view vs. what he refers to as Calvin's view and regards those who would do so as strict subscriptionists, which in his view is "sectarian":

The above passage was taken from the conclusion of the third article, a series on the 10 Commandments.

The Fourth Commandment, Part One

The Fourth Commandment: Theology of the Sabbath

The Fourth Commandment: The Sabbath in the New Covenant

Compared to some Presbyterian ministers today who are essentially anti-sabbatarian I think we'd have to say Frame's view is pretty strong, but nevertheless not what is being looked for in this thread.

I read the bit on the Sabbath were he discusses Calvin's view in comparison to the Puritans, but is there more than that?

I was going to mention him and Schwertly when I first saw this. I have read a few of Dr. Lee's things and they just blow me away (I thought I knew some Sabbatarians but 'wow'.)

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Found this interesting:

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I missed this yesterday; that's very nice of you to say; thanks Rich.

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