Has God abandoned America?

**Hippo** · 03-20-2009, 07:28 PM

Compared to what? Was the time before this when God controlled America?

I think that these statements are misplaced, God has not adandoned man, he went as far as to send his son to die for us and that includes for many in America.

**Blueridge Believer** · 03-20-2009, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by Hippo

Compared to what? Was the time before this when God controlled America?

I think that these statements are misplaced, God has not adandoned man, he went as far as to send his son to die for us and that includes for many in America.

There was a time when Biblical morality held great sway in this nation. You are right that God has not abandoned man, but God still judges nations for thier wickedness which is evident in this nation as well as yours.

**uberkermit** · 03-20-2009, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Hippo

Compared to what? Was the time before this when God controlled America?

I think that these statements are misplaced, God has not adandoned man, he went as far as to send his son to die for us and that includes for many in America.

I would not be surprised to find that John was coming out of Romans 1:18-32 for this message. If so, then I think what he is saying is well grounded.

**KMK** · 03-20-2009, 07:47 PM

Did Biblical morality hold sway because the US was comprised mostly of true Christians or because God was in some kind of covenant relationship with her? I used to believe the latter but am no longer so sure.

**Blueridge Believer** · 03-20-2009, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by KMK

Did Biblical morality hold sway because the US was comprised mostly of true Christians or because God was in some kind of covenant relationship with her? I used to believe the latter but am no longer so sure.

I don't know if you could say there was any kind of covenant relationship but Providence was all over the founding of this nation. There was a time when biblical christianity held had great influence and the 1rst people who came here, especially the puritans, were in favor of a christian commonwealth.

**Backwoods Presbyterian** · 03-20-2009, 07:51 PM

America abandoned God when it decided not to name Him as its Lord when it wrote its Constitution.

**Blueridge Believer** · 03-20-2009, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Backwoods Presbyterian

America abandoned God when it decided not to name Him as its Lord when it wrote its Constitution.

Amen brother!

Isa 2:7 Their land also is full of silver and gold, neither is there any end of their treasures; their land is also full of horses, neither is there any end of their chariots:
Isa 2:8 Their land also is full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have made:
Isa 2:9 And the mean man boweth down, and the great man humbleth himself: therefore forgive them not.
Isa 2:10 Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty.
Isa 2:11 The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
Isa 2:12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
Isa 2:13 And upon all the cedars of Lebanon, that are high and lifted up, and upon all the oaks of Bashan,
Isa 2:14 And upon all the high mountains, and upon all the hills that are lifted up,
Isa 2:15 And upon every high tower, and upon every fenced wall,
Isa 2:16 And upon all the ships of Tarshish, and upon all pleasant pictures.
Isa 2:17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
Isa 2:18 And the idols he shall utterly abolish.
Isa 2:19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.

**Kiffin** · 03-20-2009, 08:28 PM

I believe that the question "Did God abandon America?" is just as good as "Have you stopped beating your wife?"

The question presupposes that God established a covenant relationship with America; I do not jive with "America = God's nation" language.

Has America morally declined as a whole? Yes
Will she recover? I don't know

**steven-nemes** · 03-20-2009, 08:31 PM

Isn't the notion of God working or establishing a covenant with a physical nation slightly dispensational? Or perhaps I misunderstand. I am inexperienced in the covenant/dispensational debate, perhaps it doesn't even apply here...

**Iconoclast** · 03-20-2009, 08:32 PM

James,
You may have heard these sermons before, they were preached in 1988.
I was at a family conference when Pastor Martin opened up these texts of scripture. They are unforgetable.
On sermonaudio
322 National Religious Apostasy (4)
Albert N. Martin • God's Word To Our Nation • 75 min.
Proverbs 14:34; Jeremiah 25:3-6; Jeremiah 2:10-13 | Trinity Baptist Church 2,300+ Play! | MP3

THU 07/07/1983
Special Meeting

2 “Praise God, a sermon needed for this nation” 1/9/08 • This series, was certainly...

323 Our Nation’s Sexual Sins (3)
Albert N. Martin • God's Word To Our Nation • 70 min.
Proverbs 14:34; Romans 1:18-32; Leviticus 18:1-30 | Trinity Baptist Church 6,400+ Play! | MP3

WED 07/06/1983
Special Meeting

3 “Outstanding, outstanding, outstanding!!!!!” 12/29/07 • A message in 1983--truth...

324 National Moral Degeneracy (2)
Albert N. Martin • God's Word To Our Nation • 70 min.
Proverbs 14:34; Genesis 4:10; Genesis 9:5-6; Romans 13:4 | Trinity Baptist Church 2,500+ Play! | MP3

TUE 07/05/1983
Special Meeting

1 “Great Sermon!” 11/6/07 • Pastor Martin is a modern day Puritan in his hunting down of sin,...

325 God's Word To Our Nation (1)
Albert N. Martin • God's Word To Our Nation • 41 min.
Daniel 4:34-35, Job 12:23-25, Psalm 9:7 | Trinity Baptist Church 1,800+ Play! | MP3

MON 07/04

**Kiffin** · 03-20-2009, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by steven-nemes

Isn't the notion of God working or establishing a covenant with a physical nation slightly dispensational? Or perhaps I misunderstand. I am inexperienced in the covenant/dispensational debate, perhaps it doesn't even apply here...

I would actually call it a misguided covenant theology (i.e. John Winthrop's A City Upon a Hill).

**KMK** · 03-20-2009, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by Blueridge Believer

Originally Posted by KMK

Did Biblical morality hold sway because the US was comprised mostly of true Christians or because God was in some kind of covenant relationship with her? I used to believe the latter but am no longer so sure.

I don't know if you could say there was any kind of covenant relationship but Providence was all over the founding of this nation. There was a time when biblical christianity held had great influence and the 1rst people who came here, especially the puritans, were in favor of a christian commonwealth.

I agree, but the word 'abandon' implies some kind of covenant relationship. A father 'abandoned' his family. A captain 'abandoned' his troops. I don't think God 'abandoned' anything. He is in a covenant relationship with his church in America and He shall never forsake her.

**PresbyDane** · 03-21-2009, 06:13 AM

Well he is right that things are not getting better, but they never were.
So let it burn and come quickly Lord Jesus

**smhbbag** · 03-21-2009, 06:19 AM

I just couldn't get over the Gladiator music. I'll have to watch it a third time, trying to focus on the words

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