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View Poll Results: What do we do with the Arcade on Lord's Days? | |
Close it down for 36 hours
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Post an encouragement to members to use wisely
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Take down the Arcade altogether
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Nothing
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09-16-2007, 10:33 PM
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| | | Did Calvin play Pacman on the Sabbath? I like the arcade and it is fine for amusement during the week. However, since PB provides it even on the Lord's day are we laying a stumbling block in doing so? I've given the thread a cute sort of WWCD (What would Calvin do) title playing off an article I wrote nearly nine years ago now, but it is a serious question on which there may be some disagreement on the board.
I know none of use can keep the Law of God perfectly, including, and perhaps particularly the Fourth Commandment (note the Westminster Assembly's answer to LC Q121,Why is the word “Remember” set in the beginning of the fourth commandment?), but I think we can have success in avoiding things that tempt us to misuse time on the Lord's day, and if we can positively effect that, I think that is a good thing.
I don't consider PB in general a waste or unlawful to frequent on Lord's days as we can indeed have profitable Lord's day discussions through this wonderful medium that brings folks from across the globe together to converse. However, I don't see how playing the Arcade is in keeping with the Fourth Commandment.
Any way, I thought I'd bring it up. Rich can very easily bring the Arcade down for the hours across the time zones the Lord's day takes up each week. However, in the past I think we've let members police themselves as far as discussion content on Lord's days. Maybe we should simply encourage everyone to avoid it on their Lord's day, as it would be simply one more thing for Rich to do and it would have to be done manually each week, to turn off and turn back on. I have to do that with my website shopping carts, and I do forget, so it is not a perfect solution.
Any way, what think ye? This is not a Sabbath thread per se, but how to operate PB as reflective of the various Confessions, particularly the Westminster Standards, to which PB adheres already.
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| | Add a fifth option, a display that reads: "Who's online playing games on the Lord's Day" 
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Originally Posted by victorbravo Add a fifth option, a display that reads: "Who's online playing games on the Lord's Day"  | We already have that, it's called "Who's Online".  | 
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| | Shut it down for 36.  | 
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| | As reigning King of the Arcade and Leader of the Leaderboard, I hereby decree that it should be shut down for 36 hours.
Ok...so I have no power or authority. Oh well. Voted.
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| | | Wouldn't creating Sabbath laws on the forum be creating extra biblical law? How is that different that Phariseism? The Pharisees did not want people to stumble so they created extra biblical laws to "protect" the people. All that did was bind them to a law not ordained by God. Why should rich or any moderator play Sabbath police? Is it their job to convict men’s hearts of sin? Leave the forum up, not to tempt, but the other hand, so as not to bind any man to a law that is not God's.
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| | | I voted, "Do Nothing." Are we to police the conviction of brethren who have different views on the Sabbath?
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Originally Posted by PastorFaulk Wouldn't creating Sabbath laws on the forum be creating extra biblical law? How is that different that Phariseism? The Pharisees did not want people to stumble so they created extra biblical laws to "protect" the people. All that did was bind them to a law not ordained by God. Why should rich or any moderator play Sabbath police? Is it their job to convict men’s hearts of sin? Leave the forum up, not to tempt, but the other hand, so as not to bind any man to a law that is not God's. | Quote:
Originally Posted by BaptistInCrisis I voted, "Do Nothing." Are we to police the conviction of brethren who have different views on the Sabbath? | No. It wouldn't be extra biblical law, as the PB is a voluntary club. It's also not a representative republic. Thus, if the owner/Admin thinks it wise to establish such a rule, they may do so. | 
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Thus, if the owner/Admin thinks it wise to establish such a rule, they may do so.
| Josh - obviously. Just giving my opinion. It's moot actually because if someone really wants to play video games they can go to Zone.com or turn on their television. I was sharing my .085 cents (that's what .02 cents is worth after inflation!).  | 
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Originally Posted by sirhicks Quote:
Originally Posted by PastorFaulk Wouldn't creating Sabbath laws on the forum be creating extra biblical law? How is that different that Phariseism? The Pharisees did not want people to stumble so they created extra biblical laws to "protect" the people. All that did was bind them to a law not ordained by God. Why should rich or any moderator play Sabbath police? Is it their job to convict men’s hearts of sin? Leave the forum up, not to tempt, but the other hand, so as not to bind any man to a law that is not God's. | Quote:
Originally Posted by BaptistInCrisis I voted, "Do Nothing." Are we to police the conviction of brethren who have different views on the Sabbath? | No. It wouldn't be extra biblical law, as the PB is a voluntary club. It's also not a representative republic. Thus, if the owner/Admin thinks it wise to establish such a rule, they may do so. |
The view of whether the Sabbath is perpetual or not is an exegetical issue. Those who fall on the side that it is completely abrogated could be accurately described as Pharisees to impose a "rule" - if done in the Church. Those who see the Sabbath as a Creation Ordinance and not strictly a Mosaic ordinance are simply obeying their consciences and it is not proper to speak of somebody who believes the Sabbath is Biblical as being Pharisees. | 
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| | James says we are blessed when we 'endure' temptation, not 'remove' it! Leave it up and it provides an opportunity for those who are tempted to be blessed! The next thing you know PB will be serving grape juice with the Lord's Supper! 
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Originally Posted by BaptistInCrisis I voted, "Do Nothing." Are we to police the conviction of brethren who have different views on the Sabbath? | That's what I voted and why as well. | 
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it is not proper to speak of somebody who believes the Sabbath is Biblical as being Pharisees.
|  Exactly, there is far too much of this nowadays. Even if the person's view of what is permissible on the Sabbath is wrong, Paul says (in cases like this) that we are not to look down on our brother , but to respect his view (Rom. 14). Quote: |
The next thing you know PB will be serving grape juice with the Lord's Supper!
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Originally Posted by BaptistInCrisis I voted, "Do Nothing." Are we to police the conviction of brethren who have different views on the Sabbath? | That's what I voted and why as well. |
I don't lock up the various gameboys, PS2's, or computers at our house on Sunday morning, we just don't use them.
If you don't think you should play...then don't.
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| | | THERE'S AN ARCADE ON THIS SITE???
Good grief! I leave for 8 months and I come back to a site that is almost a full-blown web service!
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| | I have a need to grow more deeply in this area. Whether one agrees with this or not, this is not phariseeism. It would be a great benefit to our souls if we practised our confession a little better.
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22.7 As it is the law of nature that a portion of time by God's appointment should be set apart for the worship of God, so in his Word he has given a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment, binding all people in all ages. In particular he has appointed one day in seven as a sabbath to be kept holy to him.1 From the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ this was the last day of the week, but from the resurrection of Christ it was changed to the first day of the week which is called the Lord's Day. This is to be continued to the end of the world as the Christian Sabbath, the observation of the last day of the week being abolished.2
(1) Gen_2:3; Exo_20:8-11; Mar_2:27-28; Rev_1:10
(2) Joh_20:1; Act_2:1; Act_20:7; 1Co_16:1; Rev_1:10; Col_2:16-17
22.8 People keep the sabbath holy to the Lord when (after appropriate preparation of their hearts and prior arrangement of their everyday affairs) they observe all day a holy rest from their own works, words, and thoughts1 about their secular employment and recreations, but also devote the whole time to public and private acts of worship, and to carrying out duties of necessity and mercy.2
(1) Exo_20:8-11; Neh_13:15-22; Isa_58:13-14; Rev_1:10
(2) Mat_12:1-13; Mar_2:27-28 |
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