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Old 09-06-2007, 07:27 AM
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Pavarotti the Great has died

MODENA, Italy (Reuters) - Legendary Italian tenor Luciano Pavarotti, who brought opera to the masses, died on Thursday after a battle with cancer. He was 71.

The great voice has gone silent. On a positive note, JD Longmire has moved up a rung on the ladder. Let's all hit that 'high C' one more time for both men.
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Bout the only time I'd watch PBS would be to see the 3 tenors perform.

Great voice he had.
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This is sad, but inevitable.
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One can actually use the word 'great' when describing his voice. Many times I've been brought to tears by the tear in his voice......
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Pavarotti's voice was unique, and beautiful. His recording of Il Trovatore with Joan Sutherland reveals his remarkable abilities.

Fortunately, we are not left without tenors. Ramón Vargas has an excellent voice, and moreover is quite a gentleman. Juan Diego Flórez is a remarkable and electrifying singer. And while Rolando Villazóns technique is not perfect, there is a remarkable dramatic power in his singing.
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God graced him with such talent it makes me wonder in awe at what a heavenly chorus will sound like in heaven. His voice was musical beauty.
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Old 09-06-2007, 01:42 PM
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Yes, he was great

Pavarotti was truly great, but I think the greatest living tenor in Stuart Neill. I have heard him live on many occasions, and the ring in his voice is magnificent. My wife took from his teacher (Roberta Knie) for a while. She was one of the very best Wagnerians of the twentieth century.
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Old 09-06-2007, 03:28 PM
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MODENA, Italy (Reuters) - Legendary Italian tenor Luciano Pavarotti, who brought opera to the masses, died on Thursday after a battle with cancer. He was 71.

The great voice has gone silent. On a positive note, JD Longmire has moved up a rung on the ladder. Let's all hit that 'high C' one more time for both men.
Thanks, Bob - a lighter note for an otherwise miserably sad day for singing history - he was indeed the greatest tenor of his generation...I fear there will be few to fill the gap.
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All I can say is,"What a voice. What a voice."

I believe that his demise will leave a void in the world of music that will be felt for years to come.
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Old 09-06-2007, 03:40 PM
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Pavarotti was truly great, but I think the greatest living tenor in Stuart Neill. I have heard him live on many occasions, and the ring in his voice is magnificent. My wife took from his teacher (Roberta Knie) for a while. She was one of the very best Wagnerians of the twentieth century.
Its a nice voice - a bit compressed - big!...no P-man, though...nobody can match his effortless, yet brilliant sound.

Here is all I could find on Stuart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=http:...?v=aeTC--OyXyo


vs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=http:...?v=TsGrOfmCA1E

ah! I weep...
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On a positive note, JD Longmire has moved up a rung on the ladder.
Is this that he is now a "Puritanboard Junior?" If so, congrats.

All I can find out about myself is that I am not an animal, but a human being. At least that's something, I guess.
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Old 09-06-2007, 04:20 PM
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You're kidding, right? P was always miked well. Stuart here is not miked for amplification. When you take that into consideration, the balance swings the other way. Stuart is much more powerful inherently. Not only that, but his musical sensibility is beyond what P ever achieved. His musical line, phrase awareness, and legato surpass P.
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Old 09-06-2007, 06:43 PM
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You're kidding, right? P was always miked well. Stuart here is not miked for amplification. When you take that into consideration, the balance swings the other way. Stuart is much more powerful inherently. Not only that, but his musical sensibility is beyond what P ever achieved. His musical line, phrase awareness, and legato surpass P.
P was only miked for recording purposes in these instances, not magnification - he has easily sung in larger, less friendly venues and carried the house quite well. P is a lyrico spinto - S moves much more into the dramatico fach - more like a Domingo. Let's hear him do some Donizetti or Rossini - I'll bet his bel canto is nowhere near P.

Remember, you are talking to a tenor...we know tenors.

BTW - very refreshing discussion!
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Old 09-06-2007, 08:12 PM
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No, what I meant is that our own JD is a tenor in the world of opera. The death of the great Pavoratti moves our man JD one step closer to being the world's Divo.

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On a positive note, JD Longmire has moved up a rung on the ladder.
Is this that he is now a "Puritanboard Junior?" If so, congrats.

All I can find out about myself is that I am not an animal, but a human being. At least that's something, I guess.
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Old 09-07-2007, 10:20 AM
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I have heard Stuart's bel canto, and it is magnificent. Particularly, no one does the soft end of the dynamic range like Stuart does. Yes, Stuart is a lot like Domingo, I will certainly give you that (by the way, I prefer Domingo to Pavarotti as well in general, although P sings Nessun Dorma better than anyone I know except Franco Corelli). See, I was Roberta Knie's accompanist for three years, although Stuart had his own accompanist. I also took lessons from her a few times (I'm a baritone of a more Wagnerian fach). But I know exactly how Roberta Knie teaches. She teaches such that all her dramatic-fach singers also sing bel canto with ease. She knows that flexibility in the voice is absolutely essential to being a Wagnerian, for instance. She would tell me that you cannot be a true Wagnerian without also being able to sing bel canto, Handel, Mozart, etc. She told me that if she could get through that long run in "Rejoice" from Messiah, then she could sing Isolde all the way through. In other words, Stuart can do everything that P did and much, much more.
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Old 09-07-2007, 10:23 AM
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P.S. Roberta also told me that Birgit Nilsson could easily sing the Queen of the Night's rage aria.
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Particularly, no one does the soft end of the dynamic range like Stuart does.
I'd really have to see/hear this to believe it - you are willing to say his ppp on the upper registers is better than Corelli and P?


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Yes, Stuart is a lot like Domingo, I will certainly give you that (by the way, I prefer Domingo to Pavarotti as well in general, although P sings Nessun Dorma better than anyone I know except Franco Corelli). See, I was Roberta Knie's accompanist for three years, although Stuart had his own accompanist. I also took lessons from her a few times (I'm a baritone of a more Wagnerian fach).
Ah! A baritone...I won't hold that against you.

(...and a classically trained accompanist? Bravo! Have you done Faure's La bonne chason?)


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But I know exactly how Roberta Knie teaches. She teaches such that all her dramatic-fach singers also sing bel canto with ease. She knows that flexibility in the voice is absolutely essential to being a Wagnerian, for instance. She would tell me that you cannot be a true Wagnerian without also being able to sing bel canto, Handel, Mozart, etc. She told me that if she could get through that long run in "Rejoice" from Messiah, then she could sing Isolde all the way through. In other words, Stuart can do everything that P did and much, much more.
Well, she has a good philosophy, anyway. I'd have to hear more of her tenors to see how it works in practice - the tenor has it's own particular challenges. That being said, I'll keep an eye/ear on Stuart. Can you recommend any of her other students?
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Hey I just noticed that my thread, started in order to lift the parting glass to Pavorotti, has turned into "blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I'm a castratto obligatto, yes I canto, no you canto, blah, blah."

I'm not complaining. We can use some high brow discussions like this. Carry on.
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Hey I just noticed that my thread, started in order to lift the parting glass to Pavorotti, has turned into "blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I'm a castratto obligatto, yes I canto, no you canto, blah, blah."

I'm not complaining. We can use some high brow discussions like this. Carry on.
did you say castrato?


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Hey I just noticed that my thread, started in order to lift the parting glass to Pavorotti, has turned into "blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I'm a castratto obligatto, yes I canto, no you canto, blah, blah."

I'm not complaining. We can use some high brow discussions like this. Carry on.
did you say castrato?


Yes, and the plural would be castratti. Back in the day, they would castrate young boy sopranos to keep them sopranos all their lives. They were considered quite the sex objects as they grew up as well because they couldn't get a woman pregnant.
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Pav was not a believer was he? I don't think that he was to my limited knowledge.
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