copied from Christianity Today article on calvinism:

We are the Lord's elected few
Let all the rest be damned
Theres room enough in hell for you
We dont want heaven crammed


this is so pitiful, even in jest. wondered if anyone else had seen it and had thoughts?

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Nancy L./ www.foundersbaptist.org
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Your will, Lord Jesus Christ! Nothing more... nothing less... nothing else.

I can't help but laugh at how stupid that is.

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Andrew Thornquist My Photo Album
Calvinistic Baptist
Ukiah, California
To follow Christ was the best decision God made for me!

Sounds like a typical caricature of Calvinism.

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Josh Hicks, Chloë's Dad
Christ Covenant Reformed Presbyterian Church, RPCGA
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It is God that multiplies our sorrows.... God, as a righteous Judge, does it, which ought to silence us under all our sorrows; as many as they are, we have deserved them all, and more: nay, God, as a tender Father, does it for our necessary correction, that we may be humbled for sin, and weaned from the world by all our sorrows; and the good we get by them, with the comfort we have under them, will abundantly balance our sorrows, how greatly soever they are multiplied. - Matthew Henry

ROFL, It's so TRUE

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Janesville, Wisconsin (In the fellowship of Bob Vigneault and Matt+Megan Meisberger)

How about turning it around:

We are better than the rest of you
a life of faith we choose
you're a stupid nincompoop
It is your fault you lose



so I'm not a poet....

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Louis DiBiase
Louisville, KY

Well as a Post-Millenialist I know that is not directed towards me as I believe the Elect outnumber the damned.

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Benjamin P. Glaser, M. Div, Licentiate, Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church
Member Fairmount ARP Church
Pittsburgh, PA

Deo Vindice

Or how about this:

My merit is what sets me free
God he has no choice
He is rather ineffectual you see
and has to heed my voice

somebody please stop me

Or this:

Really? There's been a lot of peeps throughout history.

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Rev. R. Kevin Carroll
Pastor Elect
Covenant Presbyterian Church (PCA)
Wheat Ridge, CO
Blog: Reformed and Loving It

Ha! Much better!

Sounds like a typical entry from "Christianity Irrelevant."

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Curt Lovelace
Pastor, Covenant Baptist Church (CBA)
Acton, Maine
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what was the context of the Calvinism caricature?

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Daniel
PCA
Memphis, TN

That's awful! What was the context?

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Traci
Lynnwood OPC
"I have taken all my good deeds, and all my bad deeds, and cast them through each other in a heap before the Lord, and fled from both, and betaken myself to the Lord Jesus Christ, and in him I have sweet peace."--David Dickson

Before we tar and feather Dr. George, please read the quote IN CONTEXT, where it says . . .

"John Calvin: Comeback Kid Why the 500-year-old Reformer retains an enthusiastic following today," Timothy George, Christianity Today September 2009, Vol. 53, No. 9.

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How about this...

Free will what joy

Man's autonomy is my toy

Christ died for all

Even before the fall

Ask Jesus into your heart

HE needs you give it a start

Calvinists are mean

Their faith is the size of a bean

They think their elect

As for me I'd rather select

Go away meanie clavinist

My Jesus died for all


Now for the Biblical Poem...


A wretched stench in the sight of Him

Look pitiful man your state is grim

Holy, Beautiful, and Most wise

As for me I despise

My hatred for you is ever known

Oh, how sweet your mercy is shown

You've taken this heart of sin

Turned into a lowly grin

My life is yours, My Lord

Thank you for Mercy and your Word

My will and sin focused on destruction

Oh, how sweet your loving instruction

Redeemed from the pit of hell

Now my soul is very well

-----Added 9/23/2009 at 05:22:22 EST-----


Thanks for putting the quote in context. Though, may I add, there are quite a few non-reformed Christians who have this view of Calvinists.

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John
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Salt Lake City, Utah
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History could be just getting started. I believe most postmillers would say we have between 60,000 and 120,000 years to go.

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Dewey D
Reformed Heritage Church (Independent at the moment)
San Fransicko, CA

This is great!!!!

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sarah
WI
OPC
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Thanks Dennis. Context is everything.

I don't bother reading Churchianity Today any longer. I stopped about 8 years ago because the majority of the content either provoked anger in me or just left me asking why it was set to print. The adds in the back of the magazine are quite an eyebrow lifter too. I really enjoy those "apostles" and "prophets" that look like fascist dictators in their advertisements.

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Rich Koster
1689'er
Browns Mills NJ USA
Often Goofy Reformed Eccentric
Romans 7:14-25

I agree. How can one latch onto the quote and not see the context?

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Jon Peters
Member, Reformation Fellowship (OPC) (Roseville, CA)
Folsom, CA

I want to make clear that I was simply alluding to the verse, and not the article in CT. Lest it be misunderstood. I was right. It was a caricature.

yes, as i said, even in jrst it is not acceptable.

It wasn't in jest, I don't think. I believe he was making a point in defense of Calvinism against those who mischaracterize it.

Dewey -- Interesting. I have never heard that before. Any particular reason for this?

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Paul Korte
OPC
Flint, MI

They who perceive in themselves discoveries of the divine goodness, so full and absolutely perfect, and who make them the subject of earnest meditation, will never embrace new doctrines, by which the very grace they feel so powerfully in themselves is thrown into the shade. --John Calvin

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Because it's much easier to justify present circumstances when so much time is still left on the clock.

Back in my post-mil days I argued that we had perhaps 10,000 years left. Any number cited is completely arbitrary.

-----Added 9/23/2009 at 07:49:34 EST-----

Even though it was not in jest (I think Josh is right he was actually defending Calvinism against the slur), it's still kind of funny.

It's "Christianity Astray". What else is to be expected?

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Toni Cunningham, Wife of Bill (Theognome)
Parkwoods OPC, Overland Park KS

"Vice is a monster of so frightful mien, As, to be hated, needs but to be seen; Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face, We first endure, then pity, then embrace." ~ Alexander Pope

What a cool song!

I can't imagine what would possibly be wrong with it.

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Ben
Chaplain, US Army
Ft. Riley, KS
TE Ohio Valley Presbytery, PCA

Toni, did you read the context? It was a DEFENSE of Calvinism!!!

If we want to critique CT, go ahead. I have watched it descend from a "fourtnightly journal of evangelical conviction" with a strong theological core to something so trendy that it regularly drives me up a tree. But we do ourselves no favors when we misrepresent, misread, and slander those with whom we disagree. [I suspect that you were going for the laugh since it is so clever a line. My reaction was directed towards those for whom that kind of response would be serious and not for laughs.]

But, on the other hand, it is sooooo much fun.

[BTW, your "Christianity Astray" reminds me of Barth's dismissive line to Carl F.H. Henry during the Baseler's famous "American tour" when he replied to Henry's identification that he was with "Christianity Today," "Oh, you mean Christianity Yesterday?" I had not heard your line before and intend to use it soon.]

I must ask if you are suggesting i was doing this by posting it here?

Of course not. You saw it, cited it, and invited discussion of the merits of the ditty. I agree with all of the comments made by those slamming it as reductionistic, mean spirited, uncomprehending, etc. The source was rather incidental, particularly since it was a quotation in an article, not purporting to represent the position of the author.

The Bible quotes the devil. That does not make it wrong to read the quotes and invite discussion on a message board like the PB. It would only become a problem if someone cited the words of Satan to Jesus and claimed that Ah Ha! Now we know what the Bible really teaches!

I only jumped in when the topic shifted to the motives of the author of the article or of Christianity Today for publishing it. In that instance, the context is everything and it would be a slander to a group of Christians to attribute to them things they cite in order to disagree with or condemn as if it were their own positions.

thanks dennis. i should have made the context clearer when posting however. thanks for adding that part.

What an utterly depressing thought! What would they base that on? And what do they do with annoying realities like Total Depravity?

Joshua's posting of the horrible UTube "Deficient Grace" above somehow led me to the "Free Will Song".

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Carol
Plant City, Florida


That I may gain Christ and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith.
Philippians 3:8,9

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"I give you freeddddooommmmmmm . . . will it be yes or noooooooooo?"


I for one am beyond happy that God did not give me a fair and unadulterated choice! I would end up in hell if He did!

Would that this were a spoof, but I'm guessing not...

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Paul Garner
Member, Soham Baptist Church
Researcher and Lecturer, Biblical Creation Ministries
Author, The New Creationism (Evangelical Press, 2009)
Blogger, The New Creationism

Wow, this truly is so sad!

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Melissa
Baptist>Seeking Reformed Church Home
Louisville, Ky

that's a 180 isn't it?

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Robert
Lay Person
PCA
West Virginia
Go share your faith

Yeah! I think I'm going to add that to our hymnbooks.

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Jonathan
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Reformed Anabaptist
Ohio

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