Ergun Caner has himself tasered - Page 2

Pilgrim · #41 (**permalink**) 03-16-2008, 11:44 PM

There may have been differences between Sandy Creek and Charleston, but both were Calvinistic.

JasonGoodwin · #42 (**permalink**) 03-17-2008, 12:04 AM

I think I've said more than enough on what needed to be said about Ergun Caner being tasered. The whole discussion has gone way beyond this:

The cat and mouse game is over.

PuritanCovenanter · #43 (**permalink**) 03-17-2008, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JasonGoodwin

In all honesty, I don't even pay attention to the WLC or WSC anymore. (I adhere more to the 1677/89, but even that is not the Bible itself.) The answers are in Scripture, not a Confession. Confessions are a display of a systematic belief system. I will let the Bible speak for itself, TYVM.

I disagree with your assertion that Caner is a false teacher. Was he off-base for the tasing incident? Probably. False teacher? Definitely not. He has even admitted that there are Calvinistic faculty members at LBTS. IOW, they are able to work together.

Let me ask you this question: Do you know the difference between a Charleston Baptist and a Sandy Creek Baptist?

Just a few notes Jason. In some places concerning the Covenant of Works the WCF is much better than the 2nd LBCF. They aren't in any disagreement. The WCF just does a better job. Many Reformed Baptists will acknowledge that unless they are Baptists who are not Confessional and are in fact New Covenant Theologians. The Westminster and Savoy Declaration are very important documents that clearly state biblical doctrine. There is very little difference between the three and more people would have a better grasp of scripture if they really read these documents.

I don't know of any truly Calvinistic Baptist teachers at Liberty. There may be some who claim to be a supposed 4 point Calvinist but that is just an Amyraldian. I would rejoice to know if there were any true Calvinists.

Anyways, if you are getting your Sandy Creek info from Craner's course that you watched on DVD you should be aware of any other stuff he is teaching in the course as it is probably suspect also.

Love ya brother,
Randy

Zenas · #44 (**permalink**) 03-17-2008, 12:47 AM

I have said it before and I'll say it again, if this man has a doctorate, then I deserve one as well.

Also, I think referring to Liberty Theological Seminary as a great seminary is overreaching a bit. It is a seminary. Past that, I dunno.

Josiah · #45 (**permalink**) 03-17-2008, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by PuritanCovenanter

Jason,
Read this blog by Tom Ascol on Sandy Creek. Your history has been played with and is innaccurate. Brother the Craners are no friend of anyone Calvinistic. And you are correct. They both will be held accountable for how they handled themselves,the gospel, and those who were sound in the Gospel.

Founders Ministries Blog: Happy Birthday Sandy Creek

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PRINCIPLES OF FAITH OF THE SANDY CREEK ASSOCIATION - 1816

1. We believe that there is only one true and living God; the Father, Son, and Holy
Ghost. equal in essence, power and glory; and yet there are not three Gods but one
God.

2. That Scriptures of the Old and New Testament are the Word of God, and only
rule of faith and practice.

3. That Adam fell from his original state of purity, and that his sin is imputed to his
posterity; that human nature is corrupt, and that man, of his own free will and
ability, is impotent to regain the state in which he was primarily place.

4. We believe in election from eternity, effectual calling by the Holy Spirit, and
justification in his sight only by imputation of Christ righteousness. And we believe
that they who are thus elected, effectually called, and justified, will perservere
through grace to the end, that none of them be lost.

5. We believe that there will be a resurrection from the dead, and a general
judgment, and that the happiness of the righteous and punishment of the wicked
will be eternal.

6. The visible Church of Christ is a congregation of faithful persons, who have
obtained fellowship with each other, and have given themselves up to the Lord and
one another; having agreed to keep up a godly discipline, according to the rules of
the Gospel.

7. That Jesus Christ is the great head of the church and that the government thereof
is with the body.

8. That baptism and the Lord's Supper are ordinances of the Lord, and to be
continued by his church until his second coming.

9. That true believers are the only fit subjects of baptism; and that immersion is the
only mode.

10. That the church has no right to admit any but regular baptized church
members to communion at the Lord's table.

Also check out this article by Josh Powell. Shubal Stearns and the Separate Baptist Tradition

Tom Nettles has his hands in this article.

Thank you for providing me those links Martin, I will have plenty of reading to do!