Split Thread: Can Musical Notes, Arrangements, and Beats Be Inherently Evil?

[Grymir]

I am the terror that flaps in the night, I am the rap song that produces an altered state of consciousness, I'm the caller that hangs up when you pick up the phone at 3:00am.

[Pergamum]

I heard this in a calvinistic baptist church in the south:

The black africans used tribal beats for their pagan worship. When they became slaves they brought their pagan music over. Rock and roll was nothing more than whites taking up black music and popularizing it for the general population - i.e. the general culture adopting elements of low culture, and ever since our society has been indecline - which is what happens when we adopt traits of cultures that are less refined.

No lie.



Is anyone advocating that here?



Also, what is wrong with music affecting our moods? Techno is very good to run to. We can put music under human use.


In the M river valley, guitars in church are welcome but not flutes, which are associated with pagan worship. In fact, if someone stubs their toe, they shout "bamboo flute" - i.e. taking the name of their flute in vain. Therefore, if the local church tried to introduce worship music with a drum...no problem....but the flute...... they would be severely opposed - because after all it is obvious that flute music is the devil's music!

[kalawine]

Originally Posted by Sonoftheday

"When there's trouble you call DW"

That is a musical beat that will forever effect me causing me to have an altered state of consciousness, one that is reflective of my youth.

I see what you're saying. To alter something isn't always a sin. I'm not even sure if we understand "consciousness" enough to even discuss it. For instance, (having little or no faith in psychology) I truly doubt that there is any such thing as a "subconscious."

[Grymir]

Pergamun. Not me. I've hinted at the Church being influenced by the culture, but not what you are saying. The last half of you post is what i've been saying.

[Grymir]

Hey y'all, My wife wants to know if Wierd Al Yankovic is inherently evil??

[Pergamum]

Okay, that's good....


But the "classical' composers too have syncopated rythms and accented back beats on occasion too.

How does your argument have any shred of objectivity rather than merely asserting the opinion "This sounds holy...this does not sound holy..."

[Coram Deo]

Last Post Since it is not the Dawn of the Sabbath here....

No I am not advocating that, though I have heard that argument before and from Calvinistic Fundy Dispy Baptist before... (Including a family member on my wife's side who will remain unnamed)....

But to every lie there is a bit of truth... Here is the truth from that statement... Rock Music is traceable to Tribal Voodoo Pagan Worship that was brought over and incorporated into American Culture... It has nothing to do with low culture vs high culture or anything in between... It has to do with Satanic Demonic Voodoo Pagan Influences which was brought over.... And it is true that our society is in decline and I do believe that the ungodly culture including Rock Music has a part in it... What did Plato Say? "Let me write the music of the nation, and I care not who rights it laws" Oh How true that statement is.. It was written 2000 years ago and it is true the same today.... Rock Music is Sexual, but it is also Rebellious and it influences Rebellion.. It does not matter how many laws we have on the books.. Who ever writes the music of the nation will rule and control the masses....

Originally Posted by Pergamum

I heard this in a calvinistic baptist church in the south:

The black africans used tribal beats for their pagan worship. When they became slaves they brought their pagan music over. Rock and roll was nothing more than whites taking up black music and popularizing it for the general population - i.e. the general culture adopting elements of low culture, and ever since our society has been indecline - which is what happens when we adopt traits of cultures that are less refined.

No lie.



Is anyone advocating that here?



Also, what is wrong with music affecting our moods? Techno is very good to run to. We can put music under human use.


In the M river valley, guitars in church are welcome but not flutes, which are associated with pagan worship. In fact, if someone stubs their toe, they shout "bamboo flute" - i.e. taking the name of their flute in vain. Therefore, if the local church tried to introduce worship music with a drum...no problem....but the flute...... they would be severely opposed - because after all it is obvious that flute music is the devil's music!

[Grymir]

Originally Posted by Pergamum

Okay, that's good....


But the "classical' composers too have syncopated rythms and accented back beats on occasion too.

How does your argument have any shred of objectivity rather than merely asserting the opinion "This sounds holy...this does not sound holy..."

Classical music does it too. Sigh, see my previous post. Sounding Holy or not isn't the standard we (at least me) are not going by. I'm talking abstract concepts, not necessarily concrete examples. Maybe that's why people are misunderstanding me, or why I'm misunderstanding them.

I'm living in an Amish Paradise.

[Grymir]

Electric Amish that is.

[Pergamum]

You're not so much talking about abstract concepts - you are talking about subjective things.

De gustibus non est disputandum

[Grymir]

"De gustibus non est disputandum" ? sorry, the only foreign language I know is King James.

[Pergamum]

There is no disputing in matters of taste. Rythm and beats is almost entirely a matter of taste.

[Grymir]

But taste isn't what this is about. Even the music I like falls into this discussion.

[Simply_Nikki]

Most of the time I turn off music because it grieves my spirit to hear such ungodly lyrics (usually coupled with a sensual or intense beat as an enhancer of the message portrayed by the lyrics).

But of all the garbage I used to listen to when I was younger, I never was influenced to kill, steal, etc. Neither was I ever put into some altered state of consciousness. If anything any sin that derived from me was out of my own lustful, sinful, wicked heart. I do not blame the music.

I am a muscian myself (classical) and if I am wrapped up in a Beethoven Symphony or Rachmaninov Piano Concerto, or Mozart Requiem, it isn't because I am altered to do evil, or even idolizing the composers, but it is because it is so beautiful that I turn to God the author of beauty. Now.. not all classical music does this of course, but powerful and beautiful pieces of music draws me to think about God's awesomeness.

I realize this is all anecdotal and serves no purpose of "proof", just thought I'd share my personal experience with music.

[kvanlaan]

Why does Tim have a photo of Geddy Lee as his avatar?

[Grymir]

I put that there as he was my favorite rock star to emulate when I was younger. My band copied Rush to a tee!! I changed to that because I wanted people to realize that I'm not some holier than thou person when it came to what I was saying on this thread. That even what I like to listen to can come under the stuff that I was talking about. Thanks by the way from noticing. I was wondering if anybody even knew who he was. (I liked the old Rush. Haven't listened to them since grace under pressure. They sold out.)

[Grymir]

What about Pat Boone? ie, No More Mr. Nice Guy.