Who are the Scripturalists?

JM · #1 (**permalink**) 05-11-2007, 01:56 PM

I've been reading more and more from the Trinity Foundation and Vincent Cheung's site the last few weeks, who else would be considered a proponent of Scripturalism?

Thanks,

j

Davidius · #2 (**permalink**) 05-11-2007, 01:58 PM

The most famous Scripturalist is probably Sean Gerety.

By the way, I'm glad to see that I'm not the only PB member who is taking an interest in the publications of the Trinity Foundation.

JM · #3 (**permalink**) 05-11-2007, 02:00 PM

Have you read Cheung?

Davidius · #4 (**permalink**) 05-11-2007, 02:05 PM

I've been to his website once or twice but I can't say that I've read much of his work.

larryjf · #5 (**permalink**) 05-11-2007, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JM

I've been reading more and more from the Trinity Foundation and Vincent Cheung's site the last few weeks, who else would be considered a "Scripturalist?"

By "Scripturalist" do you mean folks who take the Bible literally? That's how it's defined here and here.

Davidius · #6 (**permalink**) 05-11-2007, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by larryjf

By "Scripturalist" do you mean folks who take the Bible literally? That's how it's defined here and here.

I'm still getting my feet wet so this may not be completely accurate but the Scripturalism we're talking about is the epistemological view which states that the propositions in the bible and those able to be deduced therefrom are the only true justified knowledge available to human beings. It criticizes all forms of Empiricism, Behaviorism, Rationalism, Irrationalism, etc.

larryjf · #7 (**permalink**) 05-11-2007, 03:43 PM

Thank you David, that's a big help.
Sometimes we have our own "inside" theological definitions while those outside of our circles have different definitions.

Davidius · #8 (**permalink**) 05-11-2007, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by larryjf

Thank you David, that's a big help.
Sometimes we have our own "inside" theological definitions while those outside of our circles have different definitions.

You're welcome.

JM · #9 (**permalink**) 05-11-2007, 04:58 PM

Sorry for the confussion, I should've used the term "scripturalism."

Davidius · #10 (**permalink**) 05-12-2007, 01:14 PM

I know there are a few Scripturlists on this board. I'm going to bump this in case they didn't see it and get a chance to respond.

Or maybe there just aren't any "Scripturalists in the spotlight." From what I know, most (all?) seminary profs who adhere to a presuppositional apologetic are Van Tillians.

Brian Bosse · #11 (**permalink**) 05-12-2007, 01:33 PM

Hello Everyone,

The term 'Scripturlaist' in the context of all the discussions regarding Scripturalism on this board referes to those who adher to Gordon H. Clark's presuppositional apologetic method. He refers to his method as being an axiomatic system with the only axiom being "The Bible is the Word of God." The claim is that knowledge deduced from the axiom is justified. All other knowledge is reduced to mere opinion. These adheres have termed this system to be 'Scripturalism'. So, find those that adhere to the thinking of Gordon Clark on this matter, and you have a Scripturalist.

Sincerely,

Brian

JM · #12 (**permalink**) 05-12-2007, 02:31 PM

Sure, I understand that, but who are the proponents of the system that are currently writing, promoting or using Clark’s presuppositionalism in debate? Does Cheung debate?

Brian Bosse · #13 (**permalink**) 05-12-2007, 02:58 PM

Hello JM,

There is no one that I am aware of in the Scripturalist camp that is actively doing apologetics - i.e. engaging atheists in the public arena. More often you find this group arguing apologetic method with other Christians. However, in the Van Tillian school you find many actually doing apologetics. This is not to the credit of the Scripturalists.

Brian

Theogenes · #14 (**permalink**) 05-14-2007, 12:29 PM

Just for the record, I'm a Clarkian Scripturalist. I've read/studied the materials from the Trinity foundation for about 6-7 years now(maybe longer) and am thoroughly convinced of their position.

Brian Bosse · #15 (**permalink**) 05-14-2007, 12:52 PM

Hello Jim,

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Just for the record, I'm a Clarkian Scripturalist. I've read/studied the materials from the Trinity foundation for about 6-7 years now(maybe longer) and am thoroughly convinced of their position.

I, too, have studied Gordon Clark and own most of his books. I believe the Scripturialist position as explained by him to be problematic. I started a thread with the provocative title "Scripturalism Refuted." I would be interested in your answers to my objections. Also, I want to make it clear that I do repect Gordon Clark very much even though I have been critical.

Sincerely,

Brian

Theogenes · #16 (**permalink**) 05-15-2007, 12:31 PM

Brian,
See my post at that thread.
Jim