Scripturalism Revisited - Page 3

Civbert · #81 (**permalink**) 09-03-2007, 10:55 AM

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So Socrates must also be mortal by direct/immediate implication because he is a member of "Men" - for whatever is predicated of the whole ("Men"), is predicated of each and every member of the whole ("Socrates").

So you see how immediate implication underlies syllogistic reasoning.

Anthony,

You are arguing that "Socrates is mortal" is proven by the proposition "All men are mortal" alone. But, notice you said that Socrates is must be mortal, *because* he is a man. You are implicitly relying on a premise without making it explicit. You should have said Socrates must be mortal, because all men are mortal, in order to stick with your argument of direct implication.

The argument is not valid because it could be true that all men are mortal and false that Socrates is mortal if Socrates is not a man. So you must make explicit the hidden premise.

My point wasn't to prove ""Socrates is mortal", but that that direct implication underlies syllogistic reasoning.

Brian Bosse · #82 (**permalink**) 09-03-2007, 12:10 PM

Hello Anthony,

I am still waiting for your three answers. If you are not going to give them, then please just let me know.

Thanks,

Brian

Civbert · #83 (**permalink**) 09-03-2007, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Bosse

Hello Anthony,

I am still waiting for your three answers. If you are not going to give them, then please just let me know.

Thanks,

Brian

There a difference between the arguments:

'All Men are Mortal' therefor 'Socrates is Mortal' "
and 'All Scripture is Knowledge' therefore 'Jesus is the Christ is Knowledge'.

The difference in the nature of the subjects in the premise and the conclusion.

With 'Men', we do not have a definition the includes 'Socrates' denotatively as a member.

With 'Scripture', we have a definition that denotatively includes 'Jesus is the Christ' as a member. When we say 'Scripture' in the argument above, we mean all the propositions found within the 66 books of the Bible - which includes 'Jesus is the Christ'.

Now we can form an argument more directly similar to the argument for 'Jesus is Christ is Knowledge' using the Socrates example.

We start with the premise: 'Joe, John, Jim, and Socrates' are Mortal'. One direct implication is 'Socrates is Mortal'.

Brian Bosse · #84 (**permalink**) 09-03-2007, 01:05 PM

Hello Anthony,

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There a difference between the arguments: 'All Men are Mortal' therefor 'Socrates is Mortal' " and 'All Scripture is Knowledge' therefore 'Jesus is the Christ is Knowledge'.

Fine. We can argue that later. Are you going to give me your three answers?

Brian

Brian Bosse · #85 (**permalink**) 09-04-2007, 04:25 PM

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Brian Bosse · #86 (**permalink**) 09-06-2007, 11:31 AM

Anthony,

Tell me it ain't so. I heard rumors you were leaving the Scripturalist camp!

Brian