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The new Wilson/Hitchens documentary is out and it is getting a lot of press.
Here are some highlights;
CNN Joy Behar: “Good Without God?” w/ Christopher Hitchens & Pastor Douglas Wilson. |
Imus Christopher Hitchens & Pastor Douglas Wilson On Imus. - Right Mind
NPR A 'Collision' Of Beliefs: Atheist Vs. Theologian : NPR
Kevin Rogers, Licentiate
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Megan Mozart (10-28-2009)
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Hitchens is such a raving fool. He always changes the subject.
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charliejunfan (10-29-2009)
Snow Miser
Doug Wilson has a wicked beard. Hitchens' lip service for "religion" rings hollow, and also implicitly accepts Alvin Plantinga's attempt to use evolution to refute, or cast doubt, on naturalism.
Andrew DeShazo
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Sigh. When I hear an atheist stating they don't have sufficient reason to believe in the existence of God, I tend to want to go for the throat and respond with "you not only have enough evidence, but because you are evil, you suppress that truth in your evil because you want to remain in your evil ways." It wouldn't likely be received well, but it is true (Rom 1:18 is one of my favorite verses!)
Brian Withnell
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Leesburg, Virginia
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charliejunfan (10-29-2009), gene_mingo (11-28-2009)
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I wish Dr. White did this debate.
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Snow Miser
It's probably, largely, the same debate. Is not Wilson a presuppositionalist, not unlike White?
Good question though. I suspect Dr. White may be focused in other areas.
Andrew DeShazo
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"From out of the depth of unbroken Infinfity arose the Question, "Who am I?" And to that Question there is the answer, "I am God!" -Meher Baba, died 1969.
"I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Christ, died 33 AD, ressurected three days later.
Puritanboard Graduate
I don't get Wilson or his arguments. They seem half finished. Yes, I read the book.
JM - Baptist - Canada - Feileadh Mor
XXII. Faith is the gift of God, wrought in the hearts of the elect by the Spirit of God; by which faith they come to know and believe the truth of the Scriptures, and the excellency of them above all other writings, and all things in the world, as they hold forth the glory of God in His attributes, the execellency of Christ in His nature and offices, and of the power and fulness of the Spirit in its [His] workings and operations; and so are enabled to cast their souls upon His truth thus believed. Eph. 2:8; John 6:29, 4:10; Phil. 1:29; Gal. 5:22; John 17:17; Heb. 4:11,12; John 6:63. - 1646 London Baptist Confession
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No. He is not.Originally Posted by Zenas
Kevin Rogers, Licentiate
Sovereign Community Church, PCA
Moncton NB
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Wilson seems to be the only one who's much impressed Hitchens.
What I've learned from debating religious people around the world. - By Christopher Hitchens - Slate Magazine
Ruben
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charliejunfan (10-29-2009), Pergamum (10-29-2009), Theoretical (10-29-2009), Zenas (10-29-2009)
Snow Miser
I like Hitchen's article and by in large agree. He's aware of the honest fact that alot of Americans are dishonest skeptics. I guess it takes an atheist...
Andrew DeShazo
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"From out of the depth of unbroken Infinfity arose the Question, "Who am I?" And to that Question there is the answer, "I am God!" -Meher Baba, died 1969.
"I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Christ, died 33 AD, ressurected three days later.
Puritanboard Sophomore
Are you saying Doug Wilson is not a presuppositionalist?
He sure sounds like one...
Steven Nemes
Phoenix, AZ
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I think he is saying White is not a presuppositionalist.
Hermonta Godwin
Christ The King PCA
Raleigh, NC
charliejunfan (10-29-2009)
Puritanboard Sophomore
Isn't White a presuppositionalist too, though? I thought that was his method, and I remember reading things from im that appear presuppositionalist in nature...
Steven Nemes
Phoenix, AZ
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Snow Miser
News to me. White argues like a presuppositionalist and recommends books by presuppositionalists.
Andrew DeShazo
Husband of Kathryn
Father of Phillip-Giles B. DeShazo
Deacon
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"From out of the depth of unbroken Infinfity arose the Question, "Who am I?" And to that Question there is the answer, "I am God!" -Meher Baba, died 1969.
"I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Christ, died 33 AD, ressurected three days later.
Puritanboard Sophomore
I'd say White is a presup and I believe he would have done better in the debate with Hitchens.
But gosh, aren't guys like Hitchens and Dawkins absolute clowns?
Michael Masztal
Ruling Elder, Chapel By The Sea, ARP
Melbourne Beach, FL
Snow Miser
I don't consider Hitchens a clown. I like his no-nonsense attitude and I often agree with some of the things he says on topics other than religion. If you read the article posted by Ruben, Hitchens actually seems to have a coherent understanding of orthodox Christianity. He at least listens on a basic level and attempts to understand. That's more than I can say for pretty much every other public atheist I've seen. We know that regardless he represses the truth, however, he's not so terrified of being wrong that he plugs his ears with regard to the other side.
Dawkins employs logical fallacies such as ad hominem. I generally find his antics to be trite and woefully immature.
Andrew DeShazo
Husband of Kathryn
Father of Phillip-Giles B. DeShazo
Deacon
Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church, Memphis, TN
"From out of the depth of unbroken Infinfity arose the Question, "Who am I?" And to that Question there is the answer, "I am God!" -Meher Baba, died 1969.
"I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Christ, died 33 AD, ressurected three days later.
reformed trucker (11-29-2009)
Puritanboard Freshman
I would personally like to hear Hitch go against David Robertson, a presuppositionalist who I have heard on Premiere UK Unbelievable podcasts...knows his stuff.
(2 cents and maybe a bit off topic...)
Jeremy
PCA
Indiana
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