the idea of God begging doesn't seem right to me like in that lifehouse play that annoys me.

in the idea that God wants every single person to be saved is a new concept to me and my position could very well have been a result of the pendulum swing from arminianism. but i find this language of God begging in Spurgeon, Thomas Manton, Charnock, Samuel Rutherford, Richard Sibbes.

so i guess this is a two fold question .... lets make it three...

1. Does God Beg sinners to repent
2. Does God desire everyone to be saved.
3. does it make you a Hyper Calvinist if you think God only desires the Elect to be saved.

http://unchainedradio.com/freedownlo...ence-Chart.pdf

Gene Cook says he desires all men to be saved like he commands people not to commit adultery yet ordains it be so.

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Ricky Heeb
Grace Reformed Church (RCUS) Lancaster, CA

We should align our theology to the revelation that God has revealed to man and not worry about such terms, "Hyper Calvinist" is not a biblical term, it is a perjorative term that applies to almost any Calvinist who disagrees with attempts to artificially find an accomodation with man centered theology.

We should always seek to avoid unwarranted extremes and guard against fatalism and a lack of theological balance, but we should not feel bound by man made limits of thought.

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Mike
London City Presbyterian Church
London
England

"Surely, we wish to be orthodox, but we must first learn what real orthodoxy is. Surely, we wish to be progressive, but we must first have a basis to progress from."

No. To beg, One must be in need of something, or in want of something he may not have. That's certainly not the God of Scripture.

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Josh Hicks, Chloë's Dad
Christ Covenant Reformed Presbyterian Church, RPCGA
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It is God that multiplies our sorrows.... God, as a righteous Judge, does it, which ought to silence us under all our sorrows; as many as they are, we have deserved them all, and more: nay, God, as a tender Father, does it for our necessary correction, that we may be humbled for sin, and weaned from the world by all our sorrows; and the good we get by them, with the comfort we have under them, will abundantly balance our sorrows, how greatly soever they are multiplied. - Matthew Henry

"To ask in need" is only one of several meanings to the word "beg" in the English language. In the older Webster dictionaries it lists as the primary meaning for "beg": "To ask earnestly; to beseech; to entreat or supplicate with humility. It implies more urgency than ask or petition." The newer Webster dictionaries list "To ask or supplicate in charity; as, we may yet be reduced to beg our bread" as the primary meaning. It seems as the English language has evolved over the past two centuries that the primary and secondary meanings switched places. To the modern ear "beg" means to ask out of lack, to the earlier ear it seems "beg" meant "beseech, ask earnestly." I would presume Whitefield, Spurgeon, Thomas Manton, Charnock, Samuel Rutherford, and Richard Sibbes were not using it to mean "asking out of lack."

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Lance G. Marshall
Pastor
Georgetown, Indiana

No.

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sarah
WI
OPC
My Pastor's Sermons: Mark Jenkins...he's awesome!!!

I think the term boils down to " LET US REASON". To further clarify, we are insane (in sin) and God is right minded.

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Rich Koster
1689'er
Browns Mills NJ USA
Often Goofy Reformed Eccentric
Romans 7:14-25

Does God beg sinners to repent? The text specifically states that the ambassadors do the beseeching on behalf of God. The purpose for sending out human envoys is to stir up appropriate human response.

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"Illum oportet crescere me autem minui."

"1. Does God Beg sinners to repent
2. Does God desire everyone to be saved.
3. does it make you a Hyper Calvinist if you think God only desires the Elect to be saved. "

1.No. Men do.
2. If He did, they would be saved. And If He does desire their salvation and they are not saved..not really much of a "God".
3. No sir. It Makes you a Calvinist

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Julio, Amaya
Clifton, NewJersey
Reformed Baptist Church of North Bergen

he desires us to be perfect and we are not perfect... he desires his commandments not to be broken yet they are broken... yet he ordained that we not be perfect and to break his commandments