The following email was sent to James White over at Alpha and Omega Ministries. It concerns a guy that White debated on air about 5 years ago. I remember the broadcast, remember it was devastatingly one-sided, remember that White told the guy he was teaching Pelganism (which the guy had never heard of), and remember thinking how bad Paltalk must be for this guy to be a "legend" there. Here's the email:

I'm guessing that the foreword is by Dave Hunt. Just a guess, mind you.

Here's a video where Dr. White plays a portion of the on air debate.

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Tim Phillips
Pastor, Midlane Park Presbyterian Church (ARP)
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Oooh, a throwdown. I wonder if Dr. White is quaking in his boots?

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Michael Tremmel
attending Christ Reformed Baptist Church
Hales Corners, WI.

Isaiah 46:5-11

I have set the Lord always before me; because he is at my right hand, I shall not be shaken. Ps.16:8 ESV

But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. 1 Cor.15:10a ESV

Praecepta docent, exempla movent (precepts teach, but examples move)

I would look forward to hearing/seeing this!,I really enjoyed the White/George Bryson (The Dark side of Calvinism-book)

Does anyone know if Dr White and Dr. Norman Geisler have had any debates?

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Brian
Grace Bible Church;E.Bridgewater
East Bridgewater MA
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What a pompous fool.

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Ben Franks

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"Remember the speeches we have spoken so often over our mead, when we raised boast on the bench, heroes in the hall, about hard fighting. Now may the man who is bold prove that he is."-Aelfwine at the Battle of Maldon

They have not. I don't think Dr. Geisler likes to debate. I saw him once on the "Faith Under Fire" TV show and he did not look comfortable debating with an atheist.

This is ridiculous. It doesn't even qualify as a debate.

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Ben Castaneda
member of Faith Presbyterian Church (PCA)
San Antonio, TX
MDiv student at WSC
Escondido, CA

"Not all prison bars are made from metal, And not all prisoners walk about in chains." -Lysander from Weatherby, Earl of Gloucester

I agree, Ben. But this guy is some sort of legend on Paltalk, I believe.

We just adopted two new kittens. If one of them challenges the neighbor's German Shepherd to a duel, can I really say that the dog has been seriously challenged?

In this sense, I suppose Calvinism can be called a dog...

Theognome

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Covenant Reformed Church, URC
Kansas City
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Reminds of the western movies where the young gunslingers are always challenging the old gunslinger to a duel so they can make a name for themselves.

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Lance G. Marshall
Pastor
Georgetown, Indiana

Dave Hunt is a joke...and I say that with all seriousness, having heard and met him in person and read a couple of his books. He is only respected in fundamental, dispensational churches, because he feeds into the left behind/rapture/end of world predictions type of thing.

Personally, the email sounded arrogant.

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Yeah, make a name for themselves by being shot full of holes!

precisely

Lou doesn't need to be familiar with Pelagianism? Sounds awful solo Scriptura to me, "me and my Bible."

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I know Lou Ruggiero from Pal Talk and I can assure you that the arrogance of this man is not a passing fad.

I honestly do not know what grieves me more: The fact that he thinks he can do what so many in the past have tried to do (and men far smarter than him): -- that is, refute the Reformed doctrine of predestination -OR- his arrogance and gross lack of humility on these matters. It honestly grieves me. Much prayer should be offered for this man.

How should James White respond? Personally, I would encourage him to simply ignore him. No good can come from a discussion with a man who demonstrates this level of arrogance.

I would second that guess. It is very likely Dave Hunt.

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William F. Hill, Jr.
Immanuel Presbyterian Church, (PCA)
Norfolk, Va.

Yea, I'm sure he is. Given that letter, I would wonder if it would be worth J.W's time to even reply....

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Member Covenant Presbyterian, Chattanooga, TN

I will give Ruggiero this: most people try to hide their foolishness, he broadcasts it.

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Lawrence Underwood, Jr.
Pastor - Providence Family Fellowship / Mobile, Alabama
1644/46 LBC
My Blog - Imprimis

I pray much for this type of person...the studied and willful Arminian will find out exactly how sovereign God is on judgment day. May the Lord grant him mercy.

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Most likely he would feed off of any response. It would lend him validation.

May Lou Rugg needs to learn about the law of noncontradiction

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Scott Kessler
Covenant Community OPC
Staunton, VA
Covenant Theology
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Knowing nothing of this man or Paltalk, my reaction to the note was to wonder whether it was received on April 1.

Breathtaking arrogance, and I would say the same about some guy who just discovered TULIP thinking he could throw down an accomplished Arminian apologist.

Possible topic for a humor thread: we could put together a sort of top-ten list of other titles offered by his new publisher. But such a thing could too easily devolve into mockery, when much prayer is needed, for this man and for those he influences.

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Aaron Root
RE
Crossroads PCA
Woodbridge VA

Heh...This is typical of Arminian thought.. To argue and fight for their own free will, when reformed theology gives all power and sovereignty to the Almighty God.

I never argue with people anymore, I used to do Creation/Evolution debates, but i have learned that there is never a "winner" no matter how well you present your evidence, or scripture, it all comes down to whom God chooses to bestow his knowledge to.

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Debates very seldom convince and change the mind of the person with whom you are debating; that is why I recommend one never do debates in a private setting. Public debates allow onlookers to see who they think won, and they are often much less pompous or invested into a specific position as the people in the debate.

This is also a reason why I never view a personal conversation with someone else regarding Calvinism as a debate, because that will often lead to hardened hearts.