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Old 09-20-2007, 02:28 PM
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Hi Guys,

Thanks for the kind words. You might be interested in the most recent post defending the abiding importance of the Lord's Day:

Save the Lord’s Day! « Building Old School Churches

As R.L. Dabney put it: "When it is made to appear that this day is the bulwark of practical religion in the world, that its proper observance everywhere goes hand in hand with piety and the true worship of God; that where there is no Sabbath there is no Christianity, it becomes an impossible supposition that God would make the institution temporary."
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Thank you Neddy.

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Thank you Neddy.

Now, could I interest you in the deeds to the English Channel?
No I'm sorry, Bluebottle tells me that its much too dangerous as that water is taller than me. Besides, I've already pawned myself as a valuable antique in order to buy back some compromising x-rays you were offering last week.
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Hi Guys,

Thanks for the kind words. You might be interested in the most recent post defending the abiding importance of the Lord's Day:

Save the Lord’s Day! « Building Old School Churches

As R.L. Dabney put it: "When it is made to appear that this day is the bulwark of practical religion in the world, that its proper observance everywhere goes hand in hand with piety and the true worship of God; that where there is no Sabbath there is no Christianity, it becomes an impossible supposition that God would make the institution temporary."
Here's a relevant quote from an article in the Arizona Republic:
Cecilia Chan
The Arizona Republic
Sept. 20, 2007 12:00 AM

Link: Church launching offshoot in NE Valley
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The church also is piloting a Monday-night service at the new campus because working people tend to take the weekends off for mini-breaks instead of the standard two-week vacations, Edmiston said.

"Having church on Mondays is a good way to come back and still get church into your week," he said.
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Old 09-22-2007, 12:13 PM
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Hi Larry,

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Here's a relevant quote from an article in the Arizona Republic:
Cecilia Chan
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Sept. 20, 2007 12:00 AM

Link: Church launching offshoot in NE Valley
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The church also is piloting a Monday-night service at the new campus because working people tend to take the weekends off for mini-breaks instead of the standard two-week vacations, Edmiston said.

"Having church on Mondays is a good way to come back and still get church into your week," he said.
I note that they were already having Saturday night services, and that they are billing the Monday worship in the following way:

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Free Your Weekends!
Are your weekends too busy as it is? Now you can free up your weekend schedule and still get relevant messages that apply to your life. Give us a try and check out our new campus in Scottsdale. All that we are missing is you!
The church is obviously consumer based and only offers two "styles" of worship: "Contemporary" and "Alternative" which they advertise as "This edgy service will cause you to rethink the typical ways of worship."

After a while one has to ask, at what point has this ceased to be the church and become simply a consumer driven religious business? Religious consumers get "what they want, when they want it, the way they want it." At what point do we have palingenesis taking place, and where do we see that discernible break with the world? How does this substanitially differ, for instance, with the consumer-oriented religious smorgasboard offered at the temple just prior to the Babylonian captivity?

Certainly its difficult to see how one can even begin to understand Lev. 10 in this context. God not only doesn't get to decide how He is to be worshipped, now we aren't even going to give Him a say in deciding when. Is there anything God still gets to decide or has man become sovereign in every arena?

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Hi All,

I just published an article on an excellent but not very well known book - Lectures on the History of Preaching by John Broadus, including some of what I thought were his most useful (in terms of our own preaching) insights. I particularly recommend his three point formula at the end!

Here is the link to the article:

Recommended: John Broadus on the History of Preaching
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Hi All,

Two more essays were published today that will probably not be very popular with the "high church liturgical" community. They discuss how Presbyterianism became Episcoterian in the 20th century and why Liturgies and Old School Presbyterianism aren't compatible.

On Episcoterianism and Why Old School Presbyterians Reject Liturgies « Building Old School Churches

How Did Presbyterian Worship Become Episcoterian? « Building Old School Churches

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Hi All,

Two more essays were published today that will probably not be very popular with the "high church liturgical" community. They discuss how Presbyterianism became Episcoterian in the 20th century and why Liturgies and Old School Presbyterianism aren't compatible.

On Episcoterianism and Why Old School Presbyterians Reject Liturgies « Building Old School Churches

How Did Presbyterian Worship Become Episcoterian? « Building Old School Churches

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Good stuff, Andy. Interesting that some of those that advocate liturgies (although not quite to the extremes of some) also seek to carry the Old School banner.
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Hi Chris,

I've noticed that as well, to a certain extent I think it was the influence of Baird's Eutaxia and the influence of men like Hughes Oliphant Old, but a lot of it is simply the fact that by and large the mentors of today's Old School were men from the golden age of Episcoterianism.

BTW - There is a new article entitled On Pastoral Visitation available at the Building Old School Churches blog. Your questions or comments are welcomed.

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Hi Chris,

I've noticed that as well, to a certain extent I think it was the influence of Baird's Eutaxia and the influence of men like Hughes Oliphant Old, but a lot of it is simply the fact that by and large the mentors of today's Old School were men from the golden age of Episcoterianism.

BTW - There is a new article entitled On Pastoral Visitation available at the Building Old School Churches blog. Your questions or comments are welcomed.

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Hi All,

Just wanted to let you know that we are going to begin hosting an "Old School Presbyterian Churches Worldwide Locator" at the BUILDING OLD SCHOOL CHURCHES Blog. The process should begin some time this week.

More details to follow... Stay tuned...
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Well, a quick update. We now have links to Old School US churches on the right hand side of the menu, and hope to have a page up soon once I figure out how to use my new HTML editor. Some new articles at BUILDING OLD SCHOOL CHURCHES include:

* The End of the Consumer Driven Church
* Compare and Contrast
* Means of Grace applied
* Don’t Neglect the Means of Grace!
* The Attentive Hearing of the Word
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