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12-27-2005, 03:54 PM
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I found a very great website by a reformed Jewish ministry/church http://www.messiahnyc.org/
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| | Hi Ralph -
Well, they aren't Jewish - they are a Christian church. You should
know, though, that their pastor, Steve Schlissel, is among the
men who today are promoting some dangerous ideas regarding justification.
Todd
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Does anyone else think that it says something that Ralph, who is not in the U.S., and would not be expected to know anything about the current controversy in U.S. Reformed circles, looks at that website, and concludes that it is Jewish and not Christian?
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strange how history has a tendency to repeat itself
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| | Quote: Originally posted by fredtgreco
Does anyone else think that it says something that Ralph, who is not in the U.S., and would not be expected to know anything about the current controversy in U.S. Reformed circles, looks at that website, and concludes that it is Jewish and not Christian?
| Fred,
I understood him (Ralph) to mean that it was a reformed, messianic (jewish christian) ministry and not a strictly Jewish synagouge.
The main website says "A Reformed Ministry Serving Jesus Christ in the Metropolitan area". That would be hard to miss.
[Edited on 12-28-2005 by Presbyrino]
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12-28-2005, 12:13 AM
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Thank you brothers for the warning.
But i saw at the stament of faith, that they hold to :The Belgic Confession of Faith ,The Canons of Dordt & The Heidelberg Catechism.
Can someone explain me more about the fact why it is dangerous ? Thanks.
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12-28-2005, 12:54 AM
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| | Quote: Originally posted by Mayflower
Thank you brothers for the warning.
But i saw at the stament of faith, that they hold to :The Belgic Confession of Faith ,The Canons of Dordt & The Heidelberg Catechism.
Can someone explain me more about the fact why it is dangerous ? Thanks.
| The church is independent and not in submission to any ecclesiastical body, the pastor holds to the NPP (denies double imputation) and Federal Vision hyper-covenantalism, and they reject the RPW outright.
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Ralph, I think you will find the pastor Steve Schlissel has a somewhat eclectic (for lack of a better term) approach to the Reformed faith. Similar to Doug Wilson, I don't believe that he has had any seminary training and operates independently, so he is free from any sort of formal ecclesiastical oversight. Also, as others have mentioned, he is a big promoter of some of the ideas behind the Federal Vision.
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| | I am Jewish and Christian...and would NEVER consider attending this church.
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I am Jewish and Christian...and would NEVER consider attending this church.
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| | You really do not want to go there........
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