Do they exist from the biblical perspective?

paul tells us that woman shall not have authority over man. So I would vebture to say no.

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Nope! There is no such thing as a female pastor according to the Bible.

1 Timothy 2:12; 3:1-7; 1 Cor 11:3-15; 14:34-35
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[quote:3133f88cbe][i:3133f88cbe]Originally posted by tmaan[/i:3133f88cbe]
Do they exist from the biblical perspective? [/quote:3133f88cbe]

The answer is an unequivocal "no" . An woman who takes upon herself the role of "pastor" is violating the dictates of Scripture (beginning with 1 Tim 2-3, Titus 1) and is in a dangerous position before God.

This is perhaps one of the most pernicious errors of our day.

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Brothers, I have to disagree.

Think "Jezebel," False Prophet(ess), etc.

:wr30:


Is there a female pastor that is ordained by God? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!

What about that methodist church downtown?

:P

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[quote:0f0d67e214][i:0f0d67e214]Originally posted by Rev. G[/i:0f0d67e214]
Brothers, I have to disagree.

Think "Jezebel," False Prophet(ess), etc.

:wr30:


Is there a female pastor that is ordained by God? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! [/quote:0f0d67e214]

And the old preacher said:

Jehu road into town...



and he saw Jezebel and he said the to them men up with her...


throw her down....


and they threw her down....


sev'nty times sev'nty time they threw her down...


and the dogs came and ate her up

[quote:c37f368002]"Female Pastor" Is there any such thing?[/quote:c37f368002]

Unequivocally [b:c37f368002]YES![/b:c37f368002] :thumbup:

When D.L. Moody had finished preaching one of his sermons and had stepped down from the pulpit, a young woman had come up to him and said, "Sir, I believe I have been called to preach the gospel!"

D.L. Moody looked at her and then looked over at some children sitting near by.

He asked, "Are these your children madam?"

She replied, "yes they are".

Moody responded, "Well then there's your congregation, go and preach to them!"

Colin

Okay, okay. But there's a substantial difference between proclaiming the Gospel and serving as an under-shepherd to God's people, an office holder in God's Church.

Still, that's a good story!

Okay .....

The Bible does not allow, and even forbids a woman serving as an elder in the church.

She can and should teach children.

She can be (but should not be) a false prophetess.

But SHE cannot be a God ordained elder in the church!

(Great stories, by the way...and Fred...doesn;t that little ditty say something about the disciples finding 12 baskets of her remains after she was "chucked" down seven time seventy times and eaten by the dogs?)

[quote:de4d031251][i:de4d031251]Originally posted by pastorway[/i:de4d031251]

She can be (but should not be) a false prophetess.

[/quote:de4d031251]

What does that mean?

Fred,
Amen brother!!!

Ct292,
Very good story indeed!!!
I also think thats where some men should start before they head to the pulpit.

bladestunner316:wr8:

[quote:77330e1330]Do they exist from the biblical perspective?[/quote:77330e1330]


:thumbdown:NOPE!:thumbdown:

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What if it was an all women church?

[Edited on 6-21-2003 by puritanpilgrim]

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[quote:a4ee59dd86][i:a4ee59dd86]Originally posted by tmaan[/i:a4ee59dd86]
[quote:a4ee59dd86][i:a4ee59dd86]Originally posted by pastorway[/i:a4ee59dd86]

She can be (but should not be) a false prophetess.

[/quote:a4ee59dd86]

What does that mean? [/quote:a4ee59dd86]

That means that a woman pastor is a false prophetess. :shocked2:

And as for an all female church, there is not a restriction against women teaching women, in fact they are commanded to do so - but they would not be a church at all without meeting the standards the Scriptures set for a church to exist.....including, but not limited to a male pastor!! There is a set structure for a church to be a church! This then would not be a "female" church, but a group of believing women who could teach and edify one another.

Phillip

[Edited on 6-21-03 by pastorway]

[quote:7c0e0e8da3]Sometimes Paul gave opinions...
...that are not necessarily binding. In 1 Corinthians he said "this I say, not the Lord..."

Paul says:

1 Tim. 2:12 (ESV)
I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.


Notice he says "I DO NOT"... Not only is there a tension here with what he says about women prophesying in 1 Corinthians, but it reflects his own view and can be construed as being in the same category as "this I say, not the Lord..."

If you do not agree, I can live with that, but you asked how I formulate my thinking and this is my answer. The theological principle in Galatians 3:28 is a universal and 1 Tim 2:12 is a particular. I believe universals govern particulars. [/quote:7c0e0e8da3]

According to Joyce Meyer and Gloria Copeland's biblical perspective...ha ha ha...sorry...couldn't resist

[quote:c35bc9eaa4]I agree with Whitecg that Universals always trump Particulars.
Also we need to understand the reason or reasons why a
particular Particular was given in the first place. In this case why was St.Paul so adamant about Timothy not ordaining women ministers? It may have had something to do with where Timothy was at the time, which I believe was Ephesus and the
problems that the Ephesians were having with heresy.

Remember at that point of time the Church was going through a lot of problems with new heresies popping up many, which were either founded or led by women. So that could be the basis for why St.Paul discouraged Timothy from ordaining women ministers.

Just my own opinion.
[/quote:c35bc9eaa4]

The problem with you argument, is Paul makes an argument from the creation, and not from Timothy's current situation. I would agree with you, had he not brought Adam and Eve into it.

The problem with the argument that Paul is simply giving his own opinion in a particular instance here and not a universal prohibition is that it is (literally) the same hermeneutic used to legitimize homosexuality and (principially) the same argument used to deny the infallibility of the Scriptures.

Paul's context here is an inspired, authoritative command to Timothy concerning how to conduct himself in the Church. Further, we see that the Galatians 3 passage has absolutely nothing to do with economic (i.e. role) disctintions, only ontological disctinctions. If it did allow for economic distinctions (like preaching for example), then we could have ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCES between men and women. This is patently absurd and is feministic driven theology. Galatians 3 must be interpreted in the light of yet another passage, 1 Corinthians 11:3, which states that there are economic distinctions (subordinations even) in the Trinity. God is called the head of Christ (in an economic redemptive historical sense), when we know in fact that there is complete ontologoical equality between each of the members of the Trinity. In the [b:b0d336331a]same fashion[/b:b0d336331a], Paul in 1 Cor 11:3 states that there is an economic (i.e. role) disctinction between men and women. This MUST govern Galatians 3.

Fred is right, when I did street evangelism, that was brought up to me before. If things become mere opinions, there really is no end, because scripture and doctrine become subjective rather than absolute. I think this concept and the inerrency argument are two of Satan's greatest tools to muddy the water. The problem is, man wants some "say so" in the matter, and he or she will work diligently to contort the truth. It's the Spurgon said in his sermon "The Bible," "Man, God wrote the one thing in this book you hate; and that is the truth."

[quote:35bf98501e]
Notice he says "I DO NOT"... Not only is there a tension here with what he says about women prophesying in 1 Corinthians, but it reflects his own view and can be construed as being in the same category as "this I say, not the Lord..."
[/quote:35bf98501e]

I disagree with the idea that Paul's statements such as "this I say, not the Lord..." or "I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment . . ." or "I do not permit . . ." mean that what follows is any less authoritative than any other Scripture. Paul was only noting that the Lord Jesus had not Himself spoken on the particular issue with a specific commandment during His earthly ministry . . . but Paul is not saying that his statements are not from God. Paul's every statement in the New Testament is part of Scripture (see 2 Peter:15-16), and is inspired, God-breathed, and authoritative for teaching. If a particular "judgment" of Paul's were really just his own personal idea, and not God's eternal command to His people, then God would never have allowed the statement to be recorded in the Scriptures in the first place.

Blessings,
Jie-Huli :saint2:

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I totally agree that women should not be pastors, but I have a question. What about sunday school, and more specifically teen sunday school? Is it ok for a woman to teach men (14 years-18 years) under those cercumstances?

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[quote:77932c2c60][i:77932c2c60]Originally posted by Raya[/i:77932c2c60]
I totally agree that women should not be pastors, but I have a question. What about sunday school, and more specifically teen sunday school? Is it ok for a woman to teach men (14 years-18 years) under those cercumstances? [/quote:77932c2c60]

No. If anything, I would rather err on the side of caution rather than presumption when treading near a Biblical command or prohibition.

Brothers,

I have to disagree. . .What is pastor but a shepherd, (Jer 10:21 = Strongs #7462) and a shepherd is a keeper of a flock. And what was Rachel if she was not a keeper of the flocks (Gen. 29:9 = Strongs #7462)? So you see dear gentleman, as long as the flock are sheep (the 4 legged variety) there doesn't seem to be any requirement against woman pastors.



[Edited on 6-26-2003 by ChristianasJourney]

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