Congregational Polity

toddpedlar · #1 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007, 10:18 AM

I'm wondering if there is a baptist aboard (or two) who would be willing to explain
the ins and outs of the congregational view of polity. On what basis is congregationalism
(i.e. the top court of the church is the session of elders in the local church) supported by Scripture?
I don't mean rank democracy (which I don't think any here truly hold to - that power is really
invested in the people, rather than the officers of the church) by the way, but elder-led
congregationalism. I'd like to try to understand this so that I can better dialog with people
of the congregational mindset.

Thanks,

Todd

Davidius · #2 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007, 10:55 AM

There might be one or two non-Baptist congregationalists (i.e. historical Congregationalists like Cotton Mather, J. Edwards, etc.) on the board who could help. I remember seeing at least one but I can't remember his name.

toddpedlar · #3 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CarolinaCalvinist

There might be one or two non-Baptist congregationalists (i.e. historical Congregationalists like Cotton Mather, J. Edwards, etc.) on the board who could help. I remember seeing at least one but I can't remember his name.

I was casting a net with the best shot at getting a response... of course anyone here who
is from a conservative historical congregationalist background is certainly welcome to
respond!

KMK · #4 (**permalink**) 12-21-2007, 09:45 AM

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LBC 28:8 8._____ A particular church, gathered and completely organized according to the mind of Christ, consists of officers and members; and the officers appointed by Christ to be chosen and set apart by the church (so called and gathered), for the peculiar administration of ordinances, and execution of power or duty, which he intrusts them with, or calls them to, to be continued to the end of the world, are bishops or elders, and deacons.

Baptists see the classic NT passages mentioning offices to include only elders or bishops or presbyter or overseer (which are basically the same thing), and deacons.

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Phi 1:1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:

See also i Tim 3:1-13

Does this answer your question? Or are you looking for something more?

KMK · #5 (**permalink**) 12-21-2007, 09:46 AM

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LBC 28:8 8._____ A particular church, gathered and completely organized according to the mind of Christ, consists of officers and members; and the officers appointed by Christ to be chosen and set apart by the church (so called and gathered), for the peculiar administration of ordinances, and execution of power or duty, which he intrusts them with, or calls them to, to be continued to the end of the world, are bishops or elders, and deacons.

Baptists see the classic NT passages mentioning offices to include only elders or bishops or presbyter or overseer (which are basically the same thing), and deacons.

Quote:

Phi 1:1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:

See also 1 Tim 3:1-13

Does this answer your question? Or are you looking for something more?

Pilgrim · #6 (**permalink**) 01-15-2008, 11:13 AM

One key passage is Matt. 18:17: "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector." This is taken to mean that the congregation is the final authority in discipline cases (and not the session or consistory acting as their representatives) and that there is no higher authority to appeal to.

victorbravo · #7 (**permalink**) 01-15-2008, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by toddpedlar

I'm wondering if there is a baptist aboard (or two) who would be willing to explain
the ins and outs of the congregational view of polity. On what basis is congregationalism
(i.e. the top court of the church is the session of elders in the local church) supported by Scripture?
I don't mean rank democracy (which I don't think any here truly hold to - that power is really
invested in the people, rather than the officers of the church) by the way, but elder-led
congregationalism. I'd like to try to understand this so that I can better dialog with people
of the congregational mindset.

Thanks,

Todd

Sorry I missed this, Todd, and I can't go into great detail. At best I can only give a hint at it right now:

Baptists, and other Congregationalists (I presume) attempt to draw their pattern from Acts primarily. We view Acts 13, for instance, as showing that a local congregation did the ordaining, subject to the Holy Spirit.

We also see this in Acts 11, where the local church acted by sending "to the elders by the hands of Barnabas and Saul" the alms. The alms were sent to the elders in Jerusalem, not the apostles.

Another point comes up in Acts 15. I think most Presbyterians view the Jerusalem council as a General Assembly. Baptists point out that it could equally, or perhaps more, be viewed as a request for discipline from a sister church. Antioch was troubled by people from the Jerusalem church, so "they (the church) determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question." 15:2. It looks like Antioch, as an independent church, is requesting the church in Jerusalem to do something about its members. It is also noted that Paul eagerly consented to the ruling, presumably acting in his capacity as an ordained representative of Antioch as well as an apostle. In other words, he didn't submit to their authority because of their authority, but rather agreed with the soundness of the decision.

I'm not trying to make an exhaustive argument (I don't have the time and haven't studied it as much as I ought), but I thought this would at least shed some light on the question.