Thread: What's your Eschatological Position??

Modified Post Mil here (blame Bahnsen), though there isn't much practical difference between that and an optimistic Amil.

OK, it's obvious I'm going to have to learn more about how this board works. I can only figure out how to vote once, and it appears that some folks have voted multiple times.

No love for the Pre-mill, Post-Tribs?

Originally Posted by swilson

No love for the Pre-mill, Post-Tribs?

That's the historic pre-mill position.

Originally Posted by LawrenceU

I have taken to reading my Bible with newspaper in hand. Wait, I don't get a newspaper. I have no hope of being able to tell what is happening. I have no chance of properly interpreting Scripture.

Man, I'm glad I was never a dispensationalist.

Not one to stereotype, eh?


Premil and pantrib who sees a future for ethnic Israel and subscribes to Tabletalk, but no newspapers. So much for stereotypes...

Partial Preterist Post Mil.

panmillenialist .... it will all pan out in the end

possible partial prederist amill

Originally Posted by kalawine

I grew up Premill-Dispy (though I had no idea what the term meant). I then went to Amill and now (the more I listen to my Bahnsen mp3's) I am walking a tight rope between Amill and Postmill. Dispy to me = a vague and impossible memory. Postmill = a definite probability.

Keep the premil - just ditch the dispy.

I would like to see another entry in the poll, "It does not make a difference as far as my obedience to Christ" here and now.

Originally Posted by Parsifal23

Originally Posted by AThornquist

Originally Posted by Parsifal23

I favoured Postmillinalism but now I would say I am an glassi s half empty cracked and leaking Amilinialist.

Ah, that's the spirit!

I think he is joking at your pessimism

Growing up in the United Methodist Church, I didn't even know Jesus was coming back. I later became a Pretrib Premillennialist because I attended a church that emphatically taught that position. Eventually I came to embrace the Amillennial position.

I voted for Barac...er, Nicolae Carpathia.

Originally Posted by Reformed Thomist

I voted for Barac...er, Nicolae Carpathia.

I knew someone would go for it.

You guys are ALL too late! Rayford Steele told me that you've been left behind!

Amillennial with a side of pessimism please...

Postmil . . .

Question 191: What do we pray for in the second petition.?
Answer: In the second petition (which is, Thy kingdom come), acknowledging ourselves and all mankind to be by nature under the dominion of sin and Satan, we pray, that the kingdom of sin and Satan may be destroyed, the gospel propagated throughout the world, the Jews called, the fullness of the Gentiles brought in; the church furnished with all gospel officers and ordinances, purged from corruption, countenanced and maintained by the civil magistrate: that the ordinances of Christ may be purely dispensed, and made effectual to the converting of those that are yet in their sins, and the confirming, comforting, and building up of those that are already converted: that Christ would rule in our hearts here, and hasten the time of his second coming, and our reigning with him forever: and that he would be pleased so to exercise the kingdom of his power in all the world, as may best conduce to these ends.

Oh, maybe I misunderstood the question.

My ESCHATOLOGICAL position???

Well, I anticipated being glorified, of course. What about yours?

I voted pre-trib...but I could have as well said still working it out, Anyway, My hope is Pre-Trib, and looking forward to the Rapture And Christ.

I've always been historic premillenial. Mind you coming from a non reformed evangelical background thats probably ingrained in the fabric of my being! This is an area that I know needs very careful study on my part, as its probably the main subject I know least about.

Originally Posted by brianeschen

Postmil . . .

Question 191: What do we pray for in the second petition.?
Answer: In the second petition (which is, Thy kingdom come), acknowledging ourselves and all mankind to be by nature under the dominion of sin and Satan, we pray, that the kingdom of sin and Satan may be destroyed, the gospel propagated throughout the world, the Jews called, the fullness of the Gentiles brought in; the church furnished with all gospel officers and ordinances, purged from corruption, countenanced and maintained by the civil magistrate: that the ordinances of Christ may be purely dispensed, and made effectual to the converting of those that are yet in their sins, and the confirming, comforting, and building up of those that are already converted: that Christ would rule in our hearts here, and hasten the time of his second coming, and our reigning with him forever: and that he would be pleased so to exercise the kingdom of his power in all the world, as may best conduce to these ends.

There ya go Brian! Not only does the Bible teach it but the WSC does too!

i am simply amazed at the level of jokes within this thread...

gotta love pb

I'm new here... I have always been a dispensational pre-millennialist but have recently (within the last year or so) been leaning toward either amillennialism or historic premillennialism (wither pre-wrath or post-trib).

Originally Posted by Wannabee

Originally Posted by LawrenceU

I have taken to reading my Bible with newspaper in hand. Wait, I don't get a newspaper. I have no hope of being able to tell what is happening. I have no chance of properly interpreting Scripture.

Man, I'm glad I was never a dispensationalist.

Not one to stereotype, eh?


Premil and pantrib who sees a future for ethnic Israel and subscribes to Tabletalk, but no newspapers. So much for stereotypes...

Hey man, just kidding around.

Beer-drinking partial-pre amillenialist who sometimes takes longing glances over the wall at postmil. But briefly, briefly.

Strangely, this wasn't one of the options on the poll.

I'm a recovering Post-Mil guy. Amil now.

Originally Posted by Wannabee

Originally Posted by LawrenceU

I have taken to reading my Bible with newspaper in hand. Wait, I don't get a newspaper. I have no hope of being able to tell what is happening. I have no chance of properly interpreting Scripture.

Man, I'm glad I was never a dispensationalist.

Not one to stereotype, eh?


Premil and pantrib who sees a future for ethnic Israel and subscribes to Tabletalk, but no newspapers. So much for stereotypes...

Pan-trib... does that mean believers are raptured throughout the tribulation? I've not heard the term pan-trib before.

Originally Posted by Reformed Thomist

I voted for Barac...er, Nicolae Carpathia.

Originally Posted by Repre5entYHWH

hmm, i guess i can't harmonize total depravity and 1,000 years of okey dokieness together...

There is no Total Depravity (in the Millennium). We have been "Changed" in the twinkling of an eye...

Historic Pre-Mill. I am just too much of a literalist to take a a-mill position, and since Jesus said things would get worse, I cannot take a post mill position. However, the pre-trib rapture is a work of fantasy.

So I take the safe bet, and side with the majority of the Church for the last 2,000 years...

Originally Posted by nicnap

Originally Posted by Repre5entYHWH

why so many postmills? ...

Couldn't resist this one...because, here, on the Puritanboard, so many of us read our Bibles.

I believe the Postmillennial view to be correct because it gives a proper view of the relationship of the millennium and current society. Both calvin and Knox had Bible based societies in their day after the Reformation had taken place. and even though a lot of society has fallen away I believe this is because the church is coming under discipline for not preaching the gospel and running after lies. I believe God will bring revival through the preaching of the Gospel by the remnant. all we need to do is get away from the scandalous, unrepentant individuals and let God's judgement come upon them in our society. that means taking our children out of the government school system (if we have them in there), applying God's Law to our families first then to the church, then to society through God's Justice department (AKA the civil magistrate), teaching every area of life according to the Scriptures (that includes creation, the fall, ecclesiology etc...), and continuing to take dominion over the earth. http://www.puritanboard.com/images/s.../detective.gif

-----Added 5/27/2009 at 12:43:43 EST-----

Originally Posted by Damon Rambo

Originally Posted by Repre5entYHWH

hmm, i guess i can't harmonize total depravity and 1,000 years of okey dokieness together...

There is no Total Depravity (in the Millennium). We have been "Changed" in the twinkling of an eye...

Historic Pre-Mill. I am just too much of a literalist to take a a-mill position, and since Jesus said things would get worse, I cannot take a post mill position. However, the pre-trib rapture is a work of fantasy.

So I take the safe bet, and side with the majority of the Church for the last 2,000 years...

brother I used to hold a premil position, but now I am a partial preterist postmillennialist because the "bad times" would be right before and during the tribulation. the tribulation as spoken of in daniel 9 was the end of the Old covenant ceremonial age and judgement on the jews for apostasy. after ward the world was getting better suggesting optimistic view. the church has always had its blunders but the world isn't getting worse its getting better but that may be just slowing down for a time until the church repents and continues its mission. if they want a solution to this apostasy of the culture just follow the general equity of the case Laws of the old testament and that problem would be solved.

Partial preterist/Amill here.

-----Added 6/26/2009 at 07:04:32 EST-----

Originally Posted by DMcFadden

You guys are ALL too late! Rayford Steele told me that you've been left behind!

That's where I left those!

I've been taught PreTrib PreMil growing up, but I'm leaning toward Postmil. However, I don't have a good understanding yet.

Amil
Who is Nicolaie Carpathia?

Originally Posted by timmopussycat

Amil
Who is Nicolaie Carpathia?

The fictional antichrist in the Left Behind series of fiction novels.

Amil partial preterist.

Who can say? No one knows for sure. Just be ready for His return.

I'm tellin' ya folks, everyone's current eschatological position is somewhere before the end.

Originally Posted by Damon Rambo

So I take the safe bet, and side with the majority of the Church for the last 2,000 years...

I'm his. pre-mil as well, but the majority view of the church I think my be al-mil. Correct me please if am wrong.

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I invite pre-mills to consider one objection and give a response to the "problem of evil" which I have written about above, which I find to be destructive to any conceptions of a premillennial return of Christ.

Originally Posted by Joshua

I'm tellin' ya folks, everyone's current eschatological position is somewhere before the end.

Not true for the hyper-preterist!

Originally Posted by diverumve

Originally Posted by nicnap

Originally Posted by Repre5entYHWH

why so many postmills? ...

Couldn't resist this one...because, here, on the Puritanboard, so many of us read our Bibles.

I believe the Postmillennial view to be correct because it gives a proper view of the relationship of the millennium and current society. Both calvin and Knox had Bible based societies in their day after the Reformation had taken place. and even though a lot of society has fallen away I believe this is because the church is coming under discipline for not preaching the gospel and running after lies. I believe God will bring revival through the preaching of the Gospel by the remnant. all we need to do is get away from the scandalous, unrepentant individuals and let God's judgement come upon them in our society. that means taking our children out of the government school system (if we have them in there), applying God's Law to our families first then to the church, then to society through God's Justice department (AKA the civil magistrate), teaching every area of life according to the Scriptures (that includes creation, the fall, ecclesiology etc...), and continuing to take dominion over the earth. http://www.puritanboard.com/images/s.../detective.gif

-----Added 5/27/2009 at 12:43:43 EST-----

Originally Posted by Damon Rambo

Originally Posted by Repre5entYHWH

hmm, i guess i can't harmonize total depravity and 1,000 years of okey dokieness together...

There is no Total Depravity (in the Millennium). We have been "Changed" in the twinkling of an eye...

Historic Pre-Mill. I am just too much of a literalist to take a a-mill position, and since Jesus said things would get worse, I cannot take a post mill position. However, the pre-trib rapture is a work of fantasy.

So I take the safe bet, and side with the majority of the Church for the last 2,000 years...

brother I used to hold a premil position, but now I am a partial preterist postmillennialist because the "bad times" would be right before and during the tribulation. the tribulation as spoken of in daniel 9 was the end of the Old covenant ceremonial age and judgement on the jews for apostasy. after ward the world was getting better suggesting optimistic view. the church has always had its blunders but the world isn't getting worse its getting better but that may be just slowing down for a time until the church repents and continues its mission. if they want a solution to this apostasy of the culture just follow the general equity of the case Laws of the old testament and that problem would be solved.

Getting better? What Earth are you living on, bro? More than half the people ever martyred for the Christian faith, have been killed just in the last two hundred years.

Things have gotten a LOT worse. There are dictators in the last two hundred years, that have killed FAR more Christians than Nero or Domitian or any of the other supposed "anti-christs".

-----Added 6/27/2009 at 04:39:39 EST-----

Originally Posted by Grimmson

Originally Posted by Damon Rambo

So I take the safe bet, and side with the majority of the Church for the last 2,000 years...

I'm his. pre-mil as well, but the majority view of the church I think my be al-mil. Correct me please if am wrong.

You are wrong. Why do you think they call it "Historic" premillennialism? The early Church fathers were premillennial, post tribulationists (Christ will come after the great tribulation, to set up the literal 1000 year reign).

Justin Martyr, Ireneaus, Polycarp, and Papias, are all people who explicitly held these views (Polycarp, from the writings of Ireneaus). This view dominated the first 350 years of Christianity.

Augustine was the first to come up with Amillennialism (or more properly, arrange and express the view of Tyconius). In 430, the premillennial position was banned: by this time, though, Christianity was already beginning to be in bondage to the papacy. So, in my opinion, the next 1000 years of Christianity does not count, at least the "official" church, anyway.

Anyway, regardless of how you see it, historic premillennialism was the original, and oldest view.