Modified Post Mil here (blame Bahnsen), though there isn't much practical difference between that and an optimistic Amil.

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Ed Asano
Member, Center Grove Presbyterian (PCA)
Edwardsville, IL

Lord, I am willing to --
Receive what you give,
Lack what you withhold,
Relinquish what you take.

OK, it's obvious I'm going to have to learn more about how this board works. I can only figure out how to vote once, and it appears that some folks have voted multiple times.

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Edward
Deacon
PCA
Texas

No love for the Pre-mill, Post-Tribs?

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http://sedwardwilson.wordpress.com

That's the historic pre-mill position.

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Ben Castaneda
member of Faith Presbyterian Church (PCA)
San Antonio, TX
MDiv student at WSC
Escondido, CA

"Not all prison bars are made from metal, And not all prisoners walk about in chains." -Lysander from Weatherby, Earl of Gloucester

Not one to stereotype, eh?


Premil and pantrib who sees a future for ethnic Israel and subscribes to Tabletalk, but no newspapers. So much for stereotypes...

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Joe Johnson
Slave of Christ, husband, father, Preacherboy at Cornerstone Community Church, Escanaba, MI. and TMS graduate. Personal website - SoundLife.org

I do not know, and I do not say, that a person cannot believe in Revelation and in evolution, too, for a man may believe that which is infinitely wise and also that which is only asinine. ~ CHS

Partial Preterist Post Mil.

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Jeremy Bailey
Deacon (Currently, not serving), PCA
Grace Church of Pleasanton (Seeking in San Antonio)
San Antonio, TX

panmillenialist .... it will all pan out in the end

possible partial prederist amill

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Ricky Heeb
Grace Reformed Church (RCUS) Lancaster, CA

Keep the premil - just ditch the dispy.

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Richard T. Zuelch, M.Div
Ruling Elder, OPC (not currently serving)
Westminster Presbyterian Church, CA (OPC)
www.alexandermaclaren.wordpress.com
www.reiterations.wordpress.com
www.spurgeonswords.wordpress.com

Devout souls do not take offence at the depths and difficulties of God's Word, but are, thereby, drawn to intenser contemplation of them. - Alexander Maclaren (1826-1910)

I would like to see another entry in the poll, "It does not make a difference as far as my obedience to Christ" here and now.

I think he is joking at your pessimism

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Steven Nemes
Phoenix, AZ

Good philosophy must exist, if for no other reason, because bad philosophy must be answered - C.S. Lewis

Growing up in the United Methodist Church, I didn't even know Jesus was coming back. I later became a Pretrib Premillennialist because I attended a church that emphatically taught that position. Eventually I came to embrace the Amillennial position.

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Rev. Andy Eppard
Associate Minister
First Cumberland Presbyterian Church
Springfield, MO

I voted for Barac...er, Nicolae Carpathia.

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Nathan Tyler
Reformed Baptist
University of Toronto (Student: Hons. B.A. in Philosophy)
Ontario, Canada

1689'er

http://nathantyler.wordpress.com

I knew someone would go for it.

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Aaron
Coram Deo Fellowship (CBA)
Portland, OR

We must pray that God would give us sorrow over dishonoring Him so.

"Bible study is never complete until it results in worship." -Lee Fields

You guys are ALL too late! Rayford Steele told me that you've been left behind!

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Dennis E. McFadden, Ex Mainline Baptist (in Remission)
Atherton Baptist Homes, CEO
First Baptist Church of Alhambra, Member, Transformation Ministries (CA)

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Amillennial with a side of pessimism please...

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Joe
Member
Providence Reformed Baptist Chuch, Toledo Ohio
2nd London Baptist Confession of Faith 1689

And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live. Ezk 16:6

Postmil . . .

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Brian Eschen
Ruling Elder, PCA
Pleasanton, California

Oh, maybe I misunderstood the question.

My ESCHATOLOGICAL position???

Well, I anticipated being glorified, of course. What about yours?

I voted pre-trib...but I could have as well said still working it out, Anyway, My hope is Pre-Trib, and looking forward to the Rapture And Christ.

I've always been historic premillenial. Mind you coming from a non reformed evangelical background thats probably ingrained in the fabric of my being! This is an area that I know needs very careful study on my part, as its probably the main subject I know least about.

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Bern
Evangelical
Kent UK

There ya go Brian! Not only does the Bible teach it but the WSC does too!

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Kevin - PCA - Mississippi

"What, for some, is sin, others do to the glory of God. And the good Dr. Pentecost's remarks notwithstanding, I intend to go home tonight and smoke a cigar to the glory of God. It is a kind of incense drifting to Heaven." - Charles Spurgeon

"Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift!" - 2 Corinthians 9:15

i am simply amazed at the level of jokes within this thread...

gotta love pb

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Ewen
1689 LBCF
Assemblies of God Bible College
Singapore

I'm new here... I have always been a dispensational pre-millennialist but have recently (within the last year or so) been leaning toward either amillennialism or historic premillennialism (wither pre-wrath or post-trib).

Hey man, just kidding around.

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We shall not adjust our Bible to the age; but before we have done with it, by God's grace, we shall adjust the age to the Bible. - Charles Haddon Spurgeon

Lawrence Underwood, Jr.
Pastor - Providence Family Fellowship / Mobile, Alabama
1644/46 LBC
My Blog - Imprimis

Beer-drinking partial-pre amillenialist who sometimes takes longing glances over the wall at postmil. But briefly, briefly.

Strangely, this wasn't one of the options on the poll.

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Aaron Root
RE
Crossroads PCA
Woodbridge VA

I'm a recovering Post-Mil guy. Amil now.

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Jon Peters
Member, Reformation Fellowship (OPC) (Roseville, CA)
Folsom, CA

Pan-trib... does that mean believers are raptured throughout the tribulation? I've not heard the term pan-trib before.

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Anselm
Eastview Christian Church
Bloomington, IL

Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature;
the old things passed away; behold, new things have come. ~ 2 Corinthians 5:17

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Rich Koster
1689'er
Browns Mills NJ USA
Often Goofy Reformed Eccentric
Romans 7:14-25

There is no Total Depravity (in the Millennium). We have been "Changed" in the twinkling of an eye...

Historic Pre-Mill. I am just too much of a literalist to take a a-mill position, and since Jesus said things would get worse, I cannot take a post mill position. However, the pre-trib rapture is a work of fantasy.

So I take the safe bet, and side with the majority of the Church for the last 2,000 years...

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Damon Rambo
Southern Baptist Convention
Member of Brazosport Baptist Temple, South Texas
Youth Pastor/Evangelist

Straight Walk Ministries is my home.

I believe the Postmillennial view to be correct because it gives a proper view of the relationship of the millennium and current society. Both calvin and Knox had Bible based societies in their day after the Reformation had taken place. and even though a lot of society has fallen away I believe this is because the church is coming under discipline for not preaching the gospel and running after lies. I believe God will bring revival through the preaching of the Gospel by the remnant. all we need to do is get away from the scandalous, unrepentant individuals and let God's judgement come upon them in our society. that means taking our children out of the government school system (if we have them in there), applying God's Law to our families first then to the church, then to society through God's Justice department (AKA the civil magistrate), teaching every area of life according to the Scriptures (that includes creation, the fall, ecclesiology etc...), and continuing to take dominion over the earth. http://www.puritanboard.com/images/s.../detective.gif

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brother I used to hold a premil position, but now I am a partial preterist postmillennialist because the "bad times" would be right before and during the tribulation. the tribulation as spoken of in daniel 9 was the end of the Old covenant ceremonial age and judgement on the jews for apostasy. after ward the world was getting better suggesting optimistic view. the church has always had its blunders but the world isn't getting worse its getting better but that may be just slowing down for a time until the church repents and continues its mission. if they want a solution to this apostasy of the culture just follow the general equity of the case Laws of the old testament and that problem would be solved.

Partial preterist/Amill here.

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That's where I left those!

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William Price
Attending Mills Road Baptist Church, Houston, Texas

http://www.commandmentsandjudgment.com

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LBCF 1689

I've been taught PreTrib PreMil growing up, but I'm leaning toward Postmil. However, I don't have a good understanding yet.

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Jake; Hold to Original WCF, member of SBC; Greater Atlanta, Georgia Area

The cross does not give us a minor shift or two with regard to a few of our ethical and moral and religious values; the cross radically disrupts the very center and citadel of your life from self to Christ. —Albert N. Martin

Amil
Who is Nicolaie Carpathia?

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In Christ's love and service

Mr. Tim Cunningham,
BMus. (Trombone Performance), University of Toronto
Dip. CS, Regent College, Vancouver
Member, First Baptist Church
Vancouver, BC
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"I once sat in darkness, and waited for the moon to rise.
I once sat in darkness, and waited for the son to shine.
I once sat in darkness, when all the light I'd waited for was gone.
Then Jesus came, and now the only true light, ever, shines in me."
– John Deacon -

The fictional antichrist in the Left Behind series of fiction novels.

Amil partial preterist.

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Sean Caouette
Independent Presbyterian Church (PCA)
Memphis, Tennessee

Who can say? No one knows for sure. Just be ready for His return.

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Victor D. Barrios
First OPC
Sunnyvale, CA

I'm tellin' ya folks, everyone's current eschatological position is somewhere before the end.

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Josh Hicks, Chloë's Dad
Christ Covenant Reformed Presbyterian Church, RPCGA
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It is God that multiplies our sorrows.... God, as a righteous Judge, does it, which ought to silence us under all our sorrows; as many as they are, we have deserved them all, and more: nay, God, as a tender Father, does it for our necessary correction, that we may be humbled for sin, and weaned from the world by all our sorrows; and the good we get by them, with the comfort we have under them, will abundantly balance our sorrows, how greatly soever they are multiplied. - Matthew Henry

I'm his. pre-mil as well, but the majority view of the church I think my be al-mil. Correct me please if am wrong.

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David Jolley
Currently SBC, may change
Confessions: 1680-SLBCF/ 2000-BFAM
Escondido, CA

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I invite pre-mills to consider one objection and give a response to the "problem of evil" which I have written about above, which I find to be destructive to any conceptions of a premillennial return of Christ.

Not true for the hyper-preterist!

Getting better? What Earth are you living on, bro? More than half the people ever martyred for the Christian faith, have been killed just in the last two hundred years.

Things have gotten a LOT worse. There are dictators in the last two hundred years, that have killed FAR more Christians than Nero or Domitian or any of the other supposed "anti-christs".

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You are wrong. Why do you think they call it "Historic" premillennialism? The early Church fathers were premillennial, post tribulationists (Christ will come after the great tribulation, to set up the literal 1000 year reign).

Justin Martyr, Ireneaus, Polycarp, and Papias, are all people who explicitly held these views (Polycarp, from the writings of Ireneaus). This view dominated the first 350 years of Christianity.

Augustine was the first to come up with Amillennialism (or more properly, arrange and express the view of Tyconius). In 430, the premillennial position was banned: by this time, though, Christianity was already beginning to be in bondage to the papacy. So, in my opinion, the next 1000 years of Christianity does not count, at least the "official" church, anyway.

Anyway, regardless of how you see it, historic premillennialism was the original, and oldest view.