Modified Post Mil here (blame Bahnsen), though there isn't much practical difference between that and an optimistic Amil.
Modified Post Mil here (blame Bahnsen), though there isn't much practical difference between that and an optimistic Amil.
Ed Asano
Member, Center Grove Presbyterian (PCA)
Edwardsville, IL
Lord, I am willing to --
Receive what you give,
Lack what you withhold,
Relinquish what you take.
OK, it's obvious I'm going to have to learn more about how this board works. I can only figure out how to vote once, and it appears that some folks have voted multiple times.
Edward
Deacon
PCA
Texas
No love for the Pre-mill, Post-Tribs?
S Edward Wilsonhttp://sedwardwilson.wordpress.com
Just Moved, Looking for New Church
Las Vegas, Nevada
For the Glory of our King,
Joe Johnson
Slave of Christ, husband, father, Preacherboy at Cornerstone Community Church, Escanaba, MI. and TMS graduate. Personal website - SoundLife.org
I do not know, and I do not say, that a person cannot believe in Revelation and in evolution, too, for a man may believe that which is infinitely wise and also that which is only asinine. ~ CHS
Knoxienne (04-24-2009)
panmillenialist .... it will all pan out in the end![]()
possible partial prederist amill
"Bible knowledge without repentance, will be but a torch to light men to hell. -Thomas Watson
United Through Christ
Ricky Heeb
Grace Reformed Church (RCUS) Lancaster, CA
Richard T. Zuelch, M.Div
Ruling Elder, OPC (not currently serving)
Westminster Presbyterian Church, CA (OPC)
www.alexandermaclaren.wordpress.com
www.reiterations.wordpress.com
www.spurgeonswords.wordpress.com
www.traherne.wordpress.com
The gospel would be better understood if the fact of universal sinfulness were more deeply felt. - Alexander Maclaren (1826-1910), commenting on Romans 3:19-26.
Knoxienne (04-24-2009)
I would like to see another entry in the poll, "It does not make a difference as far as my obedience to Christ" here and now.
Growing up in the United Methodist Church, I didn't even know Jesus was coming back. I later became a Pretrib Premillennialist because I attended a church that emphatically taught that position. Eventually I came to embrace the Amillennial position.
Rev. Andy Eppard
Associate Minister
First Cumberland Presbyterian Church
Springfield, MO
I voted for Barac...er, Nicolae Carpathia.
Nathan Tyler
Reformed Baptist
University of Toronto (Student: Hons. B.A. in Philosophy)
Ontario, Canada
1689'er
http://nathantyler.wordpress.com
he beholds (06-27-2009)
You guys are ALL too late! Rayford Steele told me that you've been left behind!
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Dennis E. McFadden, Ex Mainline Baptist (in Remission)
Atherton Baptist Homes, CEO
First Baptist Church of Alhambra, Member, Transformation Ministries (CA)
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Denton Elliott (06-26-2009)
Amillennial with a side of pessimism please...![]()
Joe
Member
Providence Reformed Baptist Chuch, Toledo Ohio
2nd London Baptist Confession of Faith 1689
And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live. Ezk 16:6
Postmil . . .
Question 191: What do we pray for in the second petition.?
Answer: In the second petition (which is, Thy kingdom come), acknowledging ourselves and all mankind to be by nature under the dominion of sin and Satan, we pray, that the kingdom of sin and Satan may be destroyed, the gospel propagated throughout the world, the Jews called, the fullness of the Gentiles brought in; the church furnished with all gospel officers and ordinances, purged from corruption, countenanced and maintained by the civil magistrate: that the ordinances of Christ may be purely dispensed, and made effectual to the converting of those that are yet in their sins, and the confirming, comforting, and building up of those that are already converted: that Christ would rule in our hearts here, and hasten the time of his second coming, and our reigning with him forever: and that he would be pleased so to exercise the kingdom of his power in all the world, as may best conduce to these ends.
Brian Eschen
Ruling Elder, PCA
Pleasanton, California
"When the Lion roars, all the beasts of the forest tremble: when King Jesus speaks, the Kings of the earth should keep silent."
-Samuel Davies to King George II (1755)
kalawine (05-02-2009)
Oh, maybe I misunderstood the question.
My ESCHATOLOGICAL position???
Well, I anticipated being glorified, of course. What about yours?
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Dennis E. McFadden, Ex Mainline Baptist (in Remission)
Atherton Baptist Homes, CEO
First Baptist Church of Alhambra, Member, Transformation Ministries (CA)
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I voted pre-trib...but I could have as well said still working it out, Anyway, My hope is Pre-Trib, and looking forward to the Rapture And Christ.
I've always been historic premillenial. Mind you coming from a non reformed evangelical background thats probably ingrained in the fabric of my being! This is an area that I know needs very careful study on my part, as its probably the main subject I know least about.
Bern
Reformed Baptist
Kent UK
Kevin - PCA - Mississippi
"What, for some, is sin, others do to the glory of God. And the good Dr. Pentecost's remarks notwithstanding, I intend to go home tonight and smoke a cigar to the glory of God. It is a kind of incense drifting to Heaven." - Charles Spurgeon
"Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift!" - 2 Corinthians 9:15
brianeschen (06-26-2009), Denton Elliott (06-26-2009)
i am simply amazed at the level of jokes within this thread...
gotta love pb
I'm new here... I have always been a dispensational pre-millennialist but have recently (within the last year or so) been leaning toward either amillennialism or historic premillennialism (wither pre-wrath or post-trib).
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We shall not adjust our Bible to the age; but before we have done with it, by God's grace, we shall adjust the age to the Bible. - Charles Haddon Spurgeon
Lawrence Underwood, Jr.
Pastor - Providence Family Fellowship / Mobile, Alabama
1644/46 LBC
My Blog - Imprimis
Beer-drinking partial-pre amillenialist who sometimes takes longing glances over the wall at postmil. But briefly, briefly.
Strangely, this wasn't one of the options on the poll.
Aaron Root
RE
Crossroads PCA
Woodbridge VA
nicnap (05-07-2009)
I'm a recovering Post-Mil guy. Amil now.
Jon Peters
Member, Reformation Fellowship (OPC) (Roseville, CA)
Folsom, CA
Anselm
Eastview Christian Church
Bloomington, IL
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature;
the old things passed away; behold, new things have come. ~ 2 Corinthians 5:17
Rich Koster
Browns Mills NJ USA
Member of Covenant Baptist, Lumberton NJ (1689ers)
http://cbclumberton.wordpress.com/
The Often Goofy Reformed Eccentric
Romans 7:14-25
There is no Total Depravity (in the Millennium). We have been "Changed" in the twinkling of an eye...
Historic Pre-Mill. I am just too much of a literalist to take a a-mill position, and since Jesus said things would get worse, I cannot take a post mill position. However, the pre-trib rapture is a work of fantasy.
So I take the safe bet, and side with the majority of the Church for the last 2,000 years...
Damon Rambo
Southern Baptist Convention
Member of Brazosport Baptist Temple, South Texas
Youth Pastor/Evangelist
Straight Walk Ministries is my home.
I believe the Postmillennial view to be correct because it gives a proper view of the relationship of the millennium and current society. Both calvin and Knox had Bible based societies in their day after the Reformation had taken place. and even though a lot of society has fallen away I believe this is because the church is coming under discipline for not preaching the gospel and running after lies. I believe God will bring revival through the preaching of the Gospel by the remnant. all we need to do is get away from the scandalous, unrepentant individuals and let God's judgement come upon them in our society. that means taking our children out of the government school system (if we have them in there), applying God's Law to our families first then to the church, then to society through God's Justice department (AKA the civil magistrate), teaching every area of life according to the Scriptures (that includes creation, the fall, ecclesiology etc...), and continuing to take dominion over the earth. http://www.puritanboard.com/images/s.../detective.gif
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brother I used to hold a premil position, but now I am a partial preterist postmillennialist because the "bad times" would be right before and during the tribulation. the tribulation as spoken of in daniel 9 was the end of the Old covenant ceremonial age and judgement on the jews for apostasy. after ward the world was getting better suggesting optimistic view. the church has always had its blunders but the world isn't getting worse its getting better but that may be just slowing down for a time until the church repents and continues its mission. if they want a solution to this apostasy of the culture just follow the general equity of the case Laws of the old testament and that problem would be solved.
Blue Tick (05-27-2009), brianeschen (06-26-2009), CNJ (05-27-2009), Knoxienne (05-27-2009)
William Price
Attending [URL="http://www.millsroadbaptist.org"]Mills Road Baptist Church, Houston, Texas[/URL]
[url]http://www.commandmentsandjudgment.com[/url]
[URL="http://www.gcast.com/u/CJMinistries/main"]The Reformed Voice Radio Broadcast[/URL]
LBCF 1689
I've been taught PreTrib PreMil growing up, but I'm leaning toward Postmil. However, I don't have a good understanding yet.
Jake; Hold to Original WCF, member of SBC; Greater Atlanta, Georgia Area
You cannot tell, beloved, if you have never tasted, how sweet is the peace which are the doctrines of grace will give to the soul; there is none like them...They are God's sweet lullaby, wherewith he singeth his children to sleep, even in storms. They are God's sheet anchors, which are cast out into the sea, to hold our little vessels fast in the midst of tempests. —Charles Spurgeon (The Form of Sound Words, sermon)
Amil
Who is Nicolaie Carpathia?
In Christ's love and service
Mr. Tim Cunningham,
BMus. (Trombone Performance), University of Toronto
Dip. CS, Regent College, Vancouver
Member, First Baptist Church
Vancouver, BC
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"I once sat in darkness, and waited for the moon to rise.
I once sat in darkness, and waited for the sun to shine.
I once sat in darkness, when all the light I'd waited for was gone.
Then Jesus came, and now the only true light, ever, shines in me."
– John Deacon -
he beholds (06-27-2009)
William Price
Attending [URL="http://www.millsroadbaptist.org"]Mills Road Baptist Church, Houston, Texas[/URL]
[url]http://www.commandmentsandjudgment.com[/url]
[URL="http://www.gcast.com/u/CJMinistries/main"]The Reformed Voice Radio Broadcast[/URL]
LBCF 1689
he beholds (06-27-2009)
Amil partial preterist.
Sean Caouette
Independent Presbyterian Church (PCA)
Memphis, Tennessee
Who can say? No one knows for sure. Just be ready for His return.
Victor D. Barrios
First OPC
Sunnyvale, CA
I'm tellin' ya folks, everyone's current eschatological position is somewhere before the end.
Josh
CCRPC, RPCGA
Board Rules -Signature Rules
How absurd a tenet is this, which holdeth that there is some particular worship of God allowed, and not commanded? What new light is this which maketh all our divines to have been in the mist, who have acknowledged no worship of God, but that which God hath commanded? Who ever heard of commanded and allowed worship? - George Gillespie
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I invite pre-mills to consider one objection and give a response to the "problem of evil" which I have written about above, which I find to be destructive to any conceptions of a premillennial return of Christ.
Steven Nemes
Phoenix, AZ
Good philosophy must exist, if for no other reason, because bad philosophy must be answered - C.S. Lewis
brianeschen (06-26-2009)
Getting better? What Earth are you living on, bro? More than half the people ever martyred for the Christian faith, have been killed just in the last two hundred years.
Things have gotten a LOT worse. There are dictators in the last two hundred years, that have killed FAR more Christians than Nero or Domitian or any of the other supposed "anti-christs".
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You are wrong. Why do you think they call it "Historic" premillennialism? The early Church fathers were premillennial, post tribulationists (Christ will come after the great tribulation, to set up the literal 1000 year reign).
Justin Martyr, Ireneaus, Polycarp, and Papias, are all people who explicitly held these views (Polycarp, from the writings of Ireneaus). This view dominated the first 350 years of Christianity.
Augustine was the first to come up with Amillennialism (or more properly, arrange and express the view of Tyconius). In 430, the premillennial position was banned: by this time, though, Christianity was already beginning to be in bondage to the papacy. So, in my opinion, the next 1000 years of Christianity does not count, at least the "official" church, anyway.
Anyway, regardless of how you see it, historic premillennialism was the original, and oldest view.
Damon Rambo
Southern Baptist Convention
Member of Brazosport Baptist Temple, South Texas
Youth Pastor/Evangelist
Straight Walk Ministries is my home.
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