Where do preterists and hyperpreterists differ in regards to the time texts in Matt 23,24,25? And why?

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Name: Richard
Church: Church of England, UK

I take the position that there is a break in the action at Matt 24 from v 34 to 36. The earlier verses in Matthew 24 are very specific about the times and the seasons and were intended by Christ to warn His followers of the coming days of vengeance that would fall upon apostate Israel. But I see a change in verse 36ff.

"then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes." (vv. 16-18)

Unlike the temporal judgment that would come upon Israel, the second coming would come quite suddenly and without warning. There would be no time to flee to the mountains, or make any preparations. Those in the field will not even have time to come in.

"Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming." (v. 42)

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So that is why I am a partial preterist, its my love of coffee.

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You say you "take the position that there is a break in the action at Matt 24 from v 34 to 36." Are there differences of opinion among preterists?

Do preterists make a break at 34 because of exegetical reasons or because they understand the implications of not making such a break?

the resurrection of Christ prevents a preterist from becoming hyper. Pastor Klein I think you should check out Matthew Henry's commentary on Matthew 24. That was significant in converting me from a dispy to a partial preterist which eventually led to the reformed faith.

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There are a few orthodox preterist (Gary DeMar) like myself who do view all of Matt 23,24,and 25 as being fulfilled. What we agree on is that the Second Advent, Resurrection, and Final Judgment have yet to take place.

Also, being postmill, I hold that this will not happen until "the earth" is "filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD as the waters cover the sea." (Habakkuk 2:14)

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Scott Kessler
Covenant Community OPC
Staunton, VA
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Painting with a very broad brush, I think that it is postmillennialism itself (with it attendant understanding of the expansion of the church) that keeps your average Reformed preterist (of the Gentry stripe) from becoming hyper. There is much yet to be fulfilled before the Lord's consummate coming.

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Another issue is how they interpret the burning of the heavens with fire in Peter's epistle. Joe Morecraft views it as relating to the end of space-time history. Demar and Leithart, and recently myself (tentatively), view it as the destruction of Jerusalem.

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Sorry KMK, but your title for this thread still has me laughing. I'll try to restrain myself.

Hyper-preterists deny the second coming of Christ, the bodily resurrection of believers, the removal of the curse, and the creation of a new heaven and earth. Preterists would affirm these fundamental doctrines of the faith. To deny the bodily resurrection of believer's is to deny the bodily resurrection of Christ, if you follow Paul's argument in I Corinthians 15.

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Stephen
PCA Teaching Elder
Nova Scotia

Simply put..... The BIBLE.

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Bryan Riddle
1689 London Baptist Confession
Bethel Baptist Church Owasso, Oklahoma

Rev. Klein,
Do you see this question as any different than asking: "What keeps a Calvinist from becoming a hyper Calvinist?"

CT

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Hermonta Godwin
Christ The King PCA
Raleigh, NC

Hyper preterists are heretics. Other than that they're nice folks.

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1 Corinthians 15:16-28

In reference to the resurrection, notice the chronological order given: 1. Christ the firstfruits (vs23), 2. Christ reigning at the right hand of God the Father progressively deafeating His enemies until even death it self is subdued (vs25,26). [We are obviously in this stage.] 3. Christ’s second coming (vs23), 4. The bodily resurrection after the manner of Christ's (the firstfruits) and then comes the end (vss23,24). 5. Christ delivers the kingdom to God the Father, since Christ no longer needs to reign in the sense of subduing His enemies, they would have all been subdued at this point.

A full preterist cannot accept this obvious understanding of this passage. It's also the strongest passage laying out a Postmillenial (or optimistic Amillenial) chronology of events.

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David Morrow
Faith Community Church
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In regards to the above responses, "I hear you telling me" that there is no good and necessary inference within the time texts of Matt 23,24,25 or 2 Pet 3 that prevent a preterist from becoming hyper. It is, instead, 1 Cor 15 that is the last line of defense. If a preterist finds a way around 1 Cor 15, then his slide into hyperactivity is inevitable.

As mentioned above, the scriptures supporting postmillennialism are a great check against hyper-preterism.

But you are correct, 1 Cor. 15 is also rock solid. The only way around it is to deny the physical resurrection of Jesus Christ. In that case, eschatology is the least our worries, for our preaching would be vain, and we are dead in our sins.