We will give account for every idle word? Even believers? And how?

BJClark · #41 (**permalink**) 09-14-2009, 03:39 PM

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Will there be any rebukes or scoldings of believers at the Last Judgment?

Which judgment are you referring to? As I understand it there will be two, one for unbelievers (The Great White Throne Judgment) and one for believers (The Judgment Seat of Christ)

Manuel · #42 (**permalink**) 09-15-2009, 05:45 AM

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Pergamum;

Which judgment are you referring to? As I understand it there will be two, one for unbelievers (The Great White Throne Judgment) and one for believers (The Judgment Seat of Christ)

Two judgments? That's interesting, where do you see that in the Scripture since I only can see one? I would like to know what's the Biblical foundation for this doctrine. I have heard this before but never seen a Biblical proof. I have to teach on the subject of the Final Judgment at Sunday School in a few weeks and I would like to discuss this with my students

Richard Tallach · #43 (**permalink**) 09-15-2009, 02:04 PM

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Is the loss may be realising how you misused/did not use what you had?

But at the same time, I may add, aching regret or even regret is incompatible with the blessedness of the saints in the Heavenly Kingdom.

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Which judgment are you referring to? As I understand it there will be two, one for unbelievers (The Great White Throne Judgment) and one for believers (The Judgment Seat of Christ)

I thought there was one Judgement with two classes of people which happens at the end of the world when Jesus returns.

Are these dispy distinctions?

TeachingTulip · #44 (**permalink**) 09-15-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BJClark

Pergamum;

Which judgment are you referring to? As I understand it there will be two, one for unbelievers (The Great White Throne Judgment) and one for believers (The Judgment Seat of Christ)

Two judgments? That's interesting, where do you see that in the Scripture since I only can see one? I would like to know what's the Biblical foundation for this doctrine. I have heard this before but never seen a Biblical proof. I have to teach on the subject of the Final Judgment at Sunday School in a few weeks and I would like to discuss this with my students

This is Dispensational teaching.

There will be only one Judgment and it will be universal.

Scott1 · #45 (**permalink**) 09-15-2009, 02:34 PM

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Westminster Larger Catechism
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Question 87: What are we to believe concerning the resurrection?

Answer: We are to believe, that at the last day there shall be a general resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust: when they that are then found alive shall in a moment be changed; and the selfsame bodies of the dead which were laid in the grave, being then again united to their souls forever, shall be raised up by the power of Christ. The bodies of the just, by the Spirit of Christ, and by virtue of his resurrection as their head, shall be raised in power, spiritual, incorruptible, and made like to his glorious body; and the bodies of the wicked shall be raised up in dishonor by him, as an offended judge.

Question 88: What shall immediately follow after the resurrection?

Answer: Immediately after the resurrection shall follow the general and final judgment of angels and men; the day and hour whereof no man knows, that all may watch and pray, and be ever ready for the coming of the Lord.

Question 89: What shall be done to the wicked at the day of judgment?

Answer: At the day of judgment, the wicked shall be set on Christ's left hand, and, upon clear evidence, and full conviction of their own consciences, shall have the fearful but just sentence of condemnation pronounced against them; and thereupon shall be cast out from the favorable presence of God, and the glorious fellowship with Christ, his saints, and all his holy angels, into hell, to be punished with unspeakable torments, both of body and soul, with the devil and his angels forever.

Question 90: What shall be done to the righteous at the day of judgment?

Answer: At the day of judgment, the righteous, being caught up to Christ in the clouds, shall be set on his right hand, and there openly acknowledged and acquitted, shall join with him in the judging of reprobate angels and men, and shall be received into heaven, where they shall be fully and forever freed from all sin and misery; filled with inconceivable joys, made perfectly holy and happy both in body and soul, in the company of innumerable saints and holy angels, but especially in the immediate vision and fruition of God the Father, of our Lord Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, to all eternity. And this is the perfect and full communion, which the members of the invisible church shall enjoy with Christ in glory, at the resurrection and day of judgment.

Praise God!

Manuel · #46 (**permalink**) 09-15-2009, 04:36 PM

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This is Dispensational teaching.

There will be only one Judgment and it will be universal.

That's what I understand from the Scripture. I was pointed to an article that attempts to explain the basis for the two judgments, but the author (obviously a dispensationalist) assumes a priori that there are two judgments but never proves it from the Scripture. It drew my attention that he used 2Co 5:10 as a support verse. I wonder if he read it.

2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.

Scott1 · #47 (**permalink**) 09-15-2009, 05:56 PM

Somewhat related, you may find helpful, a recent thread, very thought provoking, about classical premillennialism (not modern dispensational premillennialism), a physical return of Christ before the millennium, and whether that comports with the Westminster Standards:

Premillennialism and the Westminster Confession of Faith