Thread: Thinking too hard about end times :)

So hubby and I were having our nightly discussion before bed. I mentioned that a dispensational woman had mentioned online that Christians ought not produce any more children because the rapture will take place in 2012 and the children will be left on earth without parents. Josh laughed and said, "What if a woman is pregnant? Will her unborn baby stay on earth when she goes up?"

So I started thinking too hard. When Christ returns to judge the living and the dead, and our mortal bodies are clothed in immortality, what happens to unborn children in pregnant women? (And what kind of body do elect infants get?)

Obviously, the Bible doesn't answer this, and the Lord knows what he will do, but it was definitely one of those "whoa, weird" moments.

I'm guessing that the elect will be translated from their mother's womb and given glorified bodies in which they'll enjoy the presence of God forever. Meanwhile, the reprobate will be ripped from the safety of their mother's body to be given a body of their own in which they shall experience the horrors and torments of hell forever and ever.

Unless all infants are elect, in that case just disregard the second sentence.

Good question tho! I think that the baby will get the resurrected body intended for it from the beginning. Either a body for heavenly blessing or for damnation. Our glorified bodies will be different than the ones we have presently...not sure how except no more sin sickness etc. So I don't think it will matter if people are in the womb or tomb or on earth when He comes.

I'd have to agree with Ben on this one.

2012. . . I need to write a book. 12 Reasons that Christ Will Return in 2012. It would be a lot easier and shorter to write than 88. I'll be sure and use the millions that I make to fight dispensationalism and spread the truth.

This recalls the book, "Eighty seven reasons for the rapture in 1988."

I recall someone telling me then they had to have children quickly because of that. Also Reverend Hal Lindsay say, "No one knows the day and the hour, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened in 1988."

Now, I realize that not only are we told not to speculate but that this comes from a dispensational theology. One that does not really look for Jesus reigning now and returning as Judge. It really affects the way you live your life before God where speculation replaces the here-and-now God calls His people to.

New thread here: Are all Infants Elect? (Split from End Times Thread)

I like it when questionable teachers set dates. Then you don't have to question any more because they have just proven themselves to be false teachers.

Originally Posted by Rich Koster

I like it when questionable teachers set dates. Then you don't have to question any more because they have just proven themselves to be false teachers.

Jonathan Edwards set a date for Christ's return.

I have tried to cut date-setters some slack ever since I learned that.

Originally Posted by Kim G

Originally Posted by Rich Koster

I like it when questionable teachers set dates. Then you don't have to question any more because they have just proven themselves to be false teachers.

Jonathan Edwards set a date for Christ's return.

I have tried to cut date-setters some slack ever since I learned that.

Did he repent or hold to it/modify it to save face?

Originally Posted by LawrenceU

I'd have to agree with Ben on this one.

2012. . . I need to write a book. 12 Reasons that Christ Will Return in 2012. It would be a lot easier and shorter to write than 88. I'll be sure and use the millions that I make to fight dispensationalism and spread the truth.

I'll wait until 2013 to buy that book. I bet I'll be able to get it at a drastically reduced price.

Originally Posted by Rich Koster

Originally Posted by Kim G

Jonathan Edwards set a date for Christ's return.

I have tried to cut date-setters some slack ever since I learned that.

Did he repent or hold to it/modify it to save face?

I don't know. I only read about it in a brief biography. Maybe someone else here would know.

Originally Posted by Whitefield

Originally Posted by LawrenceU

I'd have to agree with Ben on this one.

2012. . . I need to write a book. 12 Reasons that Christ Will Return in 2012. It would be a lot easier and shorter to write than 88. I'll be sure and use the millions that I make to fight dispensationalism and spread the truth.

I'll wait until 2013 to buy that book. I bet I'll be able to get it at a drastically reduced price.

Kim G, can you provide a citation for Edwards date? I'd like to read it. In the mean time let me google it!

I know nothing of these sites; I just googled them. But I read about his date setting in one of Piper's books. Here's what a couple websites say online:

"Jonathan Edwards saw the Antichrist being defeated by 1866. See C. C. Goen, “Jonathan Edwards: A New Departure in Eschatology,” Church History 28, no. 1 (1959): 29; Robert Fuller, Naming the Antichrist (New York: Oxford University, 1995), 66-67; Perry Miller, Errand into the Wilderness (Cambridge, MA: Harvard University, 1964), 233. "

Direction: Visions of the End: A History of the Last Days


"Jonathan Edwards, considered by many to be the most eminent American theologian, believed the 1,260 days of Revelation chapter 12 were actually years. Assuming that the start of the 1,260 years began in 606 a.d., Edwards concluded that Christ would return in 1866."

End Time Anxieties - Probe Ministries

Oh come on guys I thought the answer was obvious: you are not a fully developed human being before the age of 25...


Joke. Please don't ban me.

Originally Posted by Abd_Yesua_alMasih

Oh come on guys I thought the answer was obvious: you are not a fully developed human being before the age of 25...

I knew there was hope!