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Sorry if that isn't politically correct. I wanted any answers that come about to cover not just America but the world from all times. So, I am sorry if the wording isn't that good; I didn't know how to word it.
And this question comes as a curiosity question from a friend. It is not originating out of any other thread.
Are there and African American's or Blacks who hold to Postmillennialism that you know of (consider both Past and Present)?
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Most blacks I know are Americans
sealdaSupralapsarian is, if I'm not mistaken... but, AGAIN, he's an American
Oh, and I know a bunch in South Africa...
Adam B., Wine Country, California, PCA
Whisky may not cure the common cold, but it fails more agreeably than most other things.
Puritanboard Senior
not really, not really, not really
Rich Koster
Browns Mills NJ USA
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The Often Goofy Reformed Eccentric
Romans 7:14-25
Puritanboard Postgraduate
I forgot to mention that Solomon, Augustine and the Apostle Paul were black :-)
Adam B., Wine Country, California, PCA
Whisky may not cure the common cold, but it fails more agreeably than most other things.
charliejunfan (10-16-2009)
Puritanboard Postgraduate
The Apostle Paul was a Black Hebrew?Originally Posted by Christusregnat
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Puritanboard Botanist
I notice you left out Athanasius The African. Bigot. And PS Paul was light brown, Solomon's dad had red hair and his mom was Aryan. Augustine was at least milk chocolate, though. And you didn't mention the Shulamite. She didn't say she was dark, she said she was black.
Tim Vaughan
Member, Redeemer Presbyterian, OPC,
Santa Maria
California
Puritanboard Doctor
C'mon the Ethiopian eunuch was totally Post-Mill.
Benjamin P. Glaser, M. Div, Licentiate, Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church
Ruling Elder Fairmount ARP Church
Pittsburgh, PA
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Haven't you ever noticed how good his rhymin skills are? Plus, he says "if ye be risen with Christ"The Apostle Paul was a Black Hebrew?
Adam B., Wine Country, California, PCA
Whisky may not cure the common cold, but it fails more agreeably than most other things.
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Puritanboard Doctor
I also hear he was from South-Central Tarsus.Haven't you ever noticed how good his rhymin skills are? Plus, he says "if ye be risen with Christ"The Apostle Paul was a Black Hebrew?
Benjamin P. Glaser, M. Div, Licentiate, Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church
Ruling Elder Fairmount ARP Church
Pittsburgh, PA
"I am as happy as perhaps creation can make me. I enjoy all the necessaries and most of the conveniences of life. I have a peaceful study as a refuge from the hurries and noise of the world around me, the venerable dead are waiting in my library to entertain me..." --Samuel Davies
Deo Vindice
charliejunfan (10-16-2009)
Puritanboard Postgraduate
Indeeeed... it must be a reaction to the Government Educational Establishment in the Bay Area... Actually, I knew that I was accepted with the black kids when they called me the racial epithet normally used against their people.
Have you ever read the pithy proverbs of solomon? They read like a rap tune. Indeed, I did miss Athy, and Shula...
Everyone knows that Gussy was pure dark chocolate, with a tinge of coffee chips.
Cheers,
-----Added 10/15/2009 at 06:23:24 EST-----
Well, DUH!? That was too easy of a score; I chose the hard road!
Adam B., Wine Country, California, PCA
Whisky may not cure the common cold, but it fails more agreeably than most other things.
Backwoods Presbyterian (10-15-2009), TimV (10-15-2009)
Meum cerebrum nocet
Did you mean black hearts or black skins?
I know a lot of people who have black hearts that are postmil.
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Puritanboard Postgraduate
I resemble that remark.
Adam B., Wine Country, California, PCA
Whisky may not cure the common cold, but it fails more agreeably than most other things.
Puritanboard Senior
I don't think we should impose a label on someone before it was invented.
I don't understand the one about black hearts/skins.
Puritanboard Doctor
No, I don't think so. All the ones I know are well educated and hold to the correct doctrine of amil.
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Puritanboard Postgraduate
So, was Paul a Calvinist? Be careful how you answer...
Adam B., Wine Country, California, PCA
Whisky may not cure the common cold, but it fails more agreeably than most other things.
charliejunfan (10-16-2009), TimV (10-15-2009)
Puritanboard Doctor
Black is a new label? Black has always been a color on the scale. Can an Ethiopian change his skin?
Benjamin P. Glaser, M. Div, Licentiate, Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church
Ruling Elder Fairmount ARP Church
Pittsburgh, PA
"I am as happy as perhaps creation can make me. I enjoy all the necessaries and most of the conveniences of life. I have a peaceful study as a refuge from the hurries and noise of the world around me, the venerable dead are waiting in my library to entertain me..." --Samuel Davies
Deo Vindice
Puritanboard Postgraduate
I don't think you understand: the correct amil position IS postmilNo, I don't think so. All the ones I know are well educated and hold to the correct doctrine of amil.
Adam B., Wine Country, California, PCA
Whisky may not cure the common cold, but it fails more agreeably than most other things.
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Puritanboard Senior
Calvin was a PaulistSo, was Paul a Calvinist? Be careful how you answer...
Rich Koster
Browns Mills NJ USA
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The Often Goofy Reformed Eccentric
Romans 7:14-25
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Pump your breaks, brother. You're speeding.Haven't you ever noticed how good his rhymin skills are? Plus, he says "if ye be risen with Christ"The Apostle Paul was a Black Hebrew?
AThornquist (10-15-2009), Gloria (10-15-2009)
whippersnapper
I know several who are post-mil.
Ben Franks
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Puritanboard Postgraduate
I've been known to do do, and have the tickets (and traffic school) to prove it!!
Pump your breaks, brother. You're speeding.
Adam B., Wine Country, California, PCA
Whisky may not cure the common cold, but it fails more agreeably than most other things.
Puritanboard Doctor
Paulists are papists.Calvin was a PaulistSo, was Paul a Calvinist? Be careful how you answer...
Norm
IA PCA
"What fools are they who, for a drop of pleasure, drink a sea of wrath." -Thomas Watson
Puritanboard Postgraduate
Actually, being a Paulist would have to await the rise of German Rationalism, and its offspring, Biblical Theology.Calvin was a PaulistSo, was Paul a Calvinist? Be careful how you answer...
Calvin's doctrine of the Christian life is not drawn from Paul, but from the entirety of Scripture.
If the Apostles and prophets were not Calvinists (not in the historical sense, but in the sense of principals applied), then we should abandon our confessions of faith.
Cheers,
Adam B., Wine Country, California, PCA
Whisky may not cure the common cold, but it fails more agreeably than most other things.
Backwoods Presbyterian (10-15-2009)
Meum cerebrum nocet
Black hearts = sinful, wrong, corrupt hearts
It was a joke, a slam on anyone of any colored skin (e.g., red, white, black, brown, or yellow) who would hold the postmil view instead of the "correct" one.
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The book of Revelation says Christ's feet are the color of bronze and He is certainly postmill.
Toni Cunningham, Wife of Bill (Theognome)
Parkwoods OPC, Overland Park KS
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Blue Tick (10-15-2009), charliejunfan (10-16-2009)
Puritanboard Senior
...another imitation by Rome's hoardsPaulists are papists.Calvin was a Paulist
I don't care what title we put on it, as long as the proper Biblical truth is being taught. The scripture would call it the "reliable men" who pass it on to the next generation.
Rich Koster
Browns Mills NJ USA
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http://cbclumberton.wordpress.com/
The Often Goofy Reformed Eccentric
Romans 7:14-25
Montanablue (10-15-2009)
Meum cerebrum nocet
Huh?The book of Revelation says Christ's feet are the color of bronze and He is certainly postmill.
Why would you say that he holds a view contrary to the WHOLE New Testament??? Oh, I guess you could say that he is "postmill" in the technical sense that he returns to earth after he rules in heaven for the period referenced in Rev. 20.
Actually, don't shoot me . . . yet. I just watched DeMar's 12 episode series on prophecy last week and received Gentry's dating of Revelation book yesterday. At this point Riddlebarger dislodged me from my life long historic premil view in favor of the amil. However, I do realize that amil is a subset of postmil.
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charliejunfan (10-16-2009)
Puritanboard Graduate
I believe brother Keon (Anton Brukner) is Postmill if it indeed matters...
Backwoods Presbyterian (10-15-2009)
Puritanboard Senior
Like who?
whippersnapper
Only one (Seal) is on the PB. The others are just people I know personally.Like who?
Ben Franks
I attend: Ketoctin Covenant Presbyterian Church (OPC)
in Purcellville, Virginia
I'm a member of: Heartland Community Church (PCA)
in Wichita, Kansas
I blog here (along with my Dad): http://rrfranks.blogspot.com/
And I'm a student here: www.phc.edu
"Remember the speeches we have spoken so often over our mead, when we raised boast on the bench, heroes in the hall, about hard fighting. Now may the man who is bold prove that he is."-Aelfwine at the Battle of Maldon
Puritanboard Graduate
Well, actually, the correct position - for all time - is historic premil. Come on, people, get with the program...I don't think you understand: the correct amil position IS postmilNo, I don't think so. All the ones I know are well educated and hold to the correct doctrine of amil.
Richard T. Zuelch, M.Div
Ruling Elder, OPC (not currently serving)
Westminster Presbyterian Church, CA (OPC)
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The gospel would be better understood if the fact of universal sinfulness were more deeply felt. - Alexander Maclaren (1826-1910), commenting on Romans 3:19-26.
Puritanboard Junior
What a speedy derailment of an interesting thread.
Puritanboard Freshman
I appreciate curiosity but what is the point of the question?
David
PCA
Bartlett, TN
Who am I, O Lord God, and what is my house,
that you have brought me thus far?
2 Samuel 7:18
Puritanboard Junior
The Apostles were black. We know from the infallible interpretations of the Pentecostalist scholars, that they believed in disco-style worship.
Seriously................
I know of black people who will almost certainly be Postmillennialist. The Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland is postmillennialist.
Therefore the black ministers, elders and membership of that denomination in Zimbabwe - to the extent that such things are preached on, discussed and studied - will be postmillenialist.
I would have thought the same/similar would be the case for the Free Church of Southern Africa.
I don't know any of these black brothers personally.
Richard
communicant member, FCoS
Perth, Scotland UK
His Name forever shall endure;
last like the sun it shall:
Men shall be blessed in Him,
and blessed all nations shall Him call (Ps. 72:17)
Snow Miser
I am so confused regarding this thread I don't even know what to ask.
Andrew DeShazo
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Deacon
Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church, Memphis, TN
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Knoxienne (10-16-2009)
Administrator
Here, this thread will clear it all up for you, Andrew.
Josh
CCRPC, RPCGA
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How absurd a tenet is this, which holdeth that there is some particular worship of God allowed, and not commanded? What new light is this which maketh all our divines to have been in the mist, who have acknowledged no worship of God, but that which God hath commanded? Who ever heard of commanded and allowed worship? - George Gillespie
Pastor
Don't go there, Andrew! Just don't!Here, this thread will clear it all up for you, Andrew.
Meum cerebrum nocet
Why we believe what we believe is an interesting, albeit complex, question. But, this question is driven more by demographics and numbers. During the middle and latter half of the 20th century, most popular Christianity was dispensational premil with most Reformed denoms tending toward the amil. Since a disproportionate percentage of African American Christians were in the evangelical mainstream, few would be postmil. The efforts of Gentry, DeMar, et. al. have had an impact on Reformed circles, albeit not in areas that have seen great numbers of African Americans. Even some of the numerically significant "new Calvinists" are of the Piper type which are historic premil. How many BIG churches are postmil? I am assuming that the majority report among conservative Christians is still overwhelmingly dispi.
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Aaron Josh Wright
Deerbrook Baptist Church, Humble Tx
New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary
Puritanboard Junior
Why do you want to know, Andrew?
Certainly the more black people that adopt the postmillennial stance, the more likely the message will get out, through the media of rap, hip hop, cool jazz and disco.
Richard
communicant member, FCoS
Perth, Scotland UK
His Name forever shall endure;
last like the sun it shall:
Men shall be blessed in Him,
and blessed all nations shall Him call (Ps. 72:17)
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