Sorry if that isn't politically correct. I wanted any answers that come about to cover not just America but the world from all times. So, I am sorry if the wording isn't that good; I didn't know how to word it.

And this question comes as a curiosity question from a friend. It is not originating out of any other thread.

Are there and African American's or Blacks who hold to Postmillennialism that you know of (consider both Past and Present)?

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Rev. Andrew J. Barnes
Husband of Dena
Father of Oliver
Master of Bruce
Pastor of Tchula Presbyterian Church

What can I say, I like blogs!

Most blacks I know are Americans

sealdaSupralapsarian is, if I'm not mistaken... but, AGAIN, he's an American

Oh, and I know a bunch in South Africa...

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Adam B., Wine Country, California, PCA

"I fear not to hold with Junius, de Politia Mosis cap. 6, that he who was punishable by death under that Judicial law, is punishable by death still; and he who was not punished by death then, is not to be punished by death now."

not really, not really, not really

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Rich Koster
1689'er
Browns Mills NJ USA
Often Goofy Reformed Eccentric
Romans 7:14-25

I forgot to mention that Solomon, Augustine and the Apostle Paul were black :-)

The Apostle Paul was a Black Hebrew?

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Andrew Thornquist My Photo Album
Calvinistic Baptist
Ukiah, California
To follow Christ was the best decision God made for me!

I notice you left out Athanasius The African. Bigot. And PS Paul was light brown, Solomon's dad had red hair and his mom was Aryan. Augustine was at least milk chocolate, though. And you didn't mention the Shulamite. She didn't say she was dark, she said she was black.

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Tim Vaughan
Member, Redeemer Presbyterian, OPC,
Santa Maria
California

C'mon the Ethiopian eunuch was totally Post-Mill.

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Benjamin P. Glaser, M. Div, Licentiate, Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church
Member Fairmount ARP Church
Pittsburgh, PA

Deo Vindice

Haven't you ever noticed how good his rhymin skills are? Plus, he says "if ye be risen with Christ"

I also hear he was from South-Central Tarsus.

Indeeeed... it must be a reaction to the Government Educational Establishment in the Bay Area... Actually, I knew that I was accepted with the black kids when they called me the racial epithet normally used against their people.

Have you ever read the pithy proverbs of solomon? They read like a rap tune. Indeed, I did miss Athy, and Shula...

Everyone knows that Gussy was pure dark chocolate, with a tinge of coffee chips.

Cheers,

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Well, DUH!? That was too easy of a score; I chose the hard road!

Did you mean black hearts or black skins?

I know a lot of people who have black hearts that are postmil.

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I resemble that remark.

I don't think we should impose a label on someone before it was invented.

I don't understand the one about black hearts/skins.

No, I don't think so. All the ones I know are well educated and hold to the correct doctrine of amil.

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sarah
WI
OPC
My Pastor's Sermons: Mark Jenkins...he's awesome!!!

So, was Paul a Calvinist? Be careful how you answer...

Black is a new label? Black has always been a color on the scale. Can an Ethiopian change his skin?

I don't think you understand: the correct amil position IS postmil

Calvin was a Paulist

Pump your breaks, brother. You're speeding.

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DeJuan
Grace Fellowship Bible Church (Independent)
Culpeper, VA

I know several who are post-mil.

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Ben Franks

I attend: Ketoctin Covenant Presbyterian Church (OPC)
in Purcellville, Virginia
I'm a member of: Heartland Community Church (PCA)
in Wichita, Kansas
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And I'm a student here: www.phc.edu

"Remember the speeches we have spoken so often over our mead, when we raised boast on the bench, heroes in the hall, about hard fighting. Now may the man who is bold prove that he is."-Aelfwine at the Battle of Maldon

I've been known to do do, and have the tickets (and traffic school) to prove it!!

Paulists are papists.

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Norm
IA PCA

In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will. Ephesians 1:4-5

Actually, being a Paulist would have to await the rise of German Rationalism, and its offspring, Biblical Theology.

Calvin's doctrine of the Christian life is not drawn from Paul, but from the entirety of Scripture.

If the Apostles and prophets were not Calvinists (not in the historical sense, but in the sense of principals applied), then we should abandon our confessions of faith.

Cheers,

Black hearts = sinful, wrong, corrupt hearts

It was a joke, a slam on anyone of any colored skin (e.g., red, white, black, brown, or yellow) who would hold the postmil view instead of the "correct" one.

The book of Revelation says Christ's feet are the color of bronze and He is certainly postmill.

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Toni Cunningham, Wife of Bill (Theognome)
Parkwoods OPC, Overland Park KS

"Vice is a monster of so frightful mien, As, to be hated, needs but to be seen; Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face, We first endure, then pity, then embrace." ~ Alexander Pope

...another imitation by Rome's hoards

I don't care what title we put on it, as long as the proper Biblical truth is being taught. The scripture would call it the "reliable men" who pass it on to the next generation.

Huh?

Why would you say that he holds a view contrary to the WHOLE New Testament??? Oh, I guess you could say that he is "postmill" in the technical sense that he returns to earth after he rules in heaven for the period referenced in Rev. 20.



Actually, don't shoot me . . . yet. I just watched DeMar's 12 episode series on prophecy last week and received Gentry's dating of Revelation book yesterday. At this point Riddlebarger dislodged me from my life long historic premil view in favor of the amil. However, I do realize that amil is a subset of postmil.

I believe brother Keon (Anton Brukner) is Postmill if it indeed matters...

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John
Member
Christ Presbyterian Church (OPC)
Salt Lake City, Utah
www.christpres.net

Like who?

Only one (Seal) is on the PB. The others are just people I know personally.

Well, actually, the correct position - for all time - is historic premil. Come on, people, get with the program...

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Richard T. Zuelch, M.Div
Ruling Elder, OPC (not currently serving)
Westminster Presbyterian Church, CA (OPC)
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Devout souls do not take offence at the depths and difficulties of God's Word, but are, thereby, drawn to intenser contemplation of them. - Alexander Maclaren (1826-1910)

What a speedy derailment of an interesting thread.

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Ewen
1689 LBCF
Assemblies of God Bible College
Singapore

I appreciate curiosity but what is the point of the question?

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David
PCA
Bartlett, TN

Who am I, O Lord God, and what is my house,
that you have brought me thus far?
2 Samuel 7:18

The Apostles were black. We know from the infallible interpretations of the Pentecostalist scholars, that they believed in disco-style worship.

Seriously................

I know of black people who will almost certainly be Postmillennialist. The Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland is postmillennialist.

Therefore the black ministers, elders and membership of that denomination in Zimbabwe - to the extent that such things are preached on, discussed and studied - will be postmillenialist.

I would have thought the same/similar would be the case for the Free Church of Southern Africa.

I don't know any of these black brothers personally.

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Richard
communicant member, FCoS
Perth, Scotland UK

His Name forever shall endure;
last like the sun it shall:
Men shall be blessed in Him,
and blessed all nations shall Him call (Ps. 72:17)

I am so confused regarding this thread I don't even know what to ask.

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Andrew DeShazo
Husband of Kathryn
Father of Phillip-Giles B. DeShazo
Deacon
Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church, Memphis, TN
"From out of the depth of unbroken Infinfity arose the Question, "Who am I?" And to that Question there is the answer, "I am God!" -Meher Baba, died 1969.

"I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Christ, died 33 AD, ressurected three days later.

Here, this thread will clear it all up for you, Andrew.

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It is God that multiplies our sorrows.... God, as a righteous Judge, does it, which ought to silence us under all our sorrows; as many as they are, we have deserved them all, and more: nay, God, as a tender Father, does it for our necessary correction, that we may be humbled for sin, and weaned from the world by all our sorrows; and the good we get by them, with the comfort we have under them, will abundantly balance our sorrows, how greatly soever they are multiplied. - Matthew Henry

Don't go there, Andrew! Just don't!

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Ivan R. Schoen, B.A., M.A., M.L.I.S.
Pastor of Maranatha Baptist Church (SBC)
Poplar Grove, IL, USA
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Why we believe what we believe is an interesting, albeit complex, question. But, this question is driven more by demographics and numbers. During the middle and latter half of the 20th century, most popular Christianity was dispensational premil with most Reformed denoms tending toward the amil. Since a disproportionate percentage of African American Christians were in the evangelical mainstream, few would be postmil. The efforts of Gentry, DeMar, et. al. have had an impact on Reformed circles, albeit not in areas that have seen great numbers of African Americans. Even some of the numerically significant "new Calvinists" are of the Piper type which are historic premil. How many BIG churches are postmil? I am assuming that the majority report among conservative Christians is still overwhelmingly dispi.

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Aaron Josh Wright
Deerbrook Baptist Church, Humble Tx
New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary

Why do you want to know, Andrew?

Certainly the more black people that adopt the postmillennial stance, the more likely the message will get out, through the media of rap, hip hop, cool jazz and disco.