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    Are there any Blacks who held/hold to Postmil?

    Sorry if that isn't politically correct. I wanted any answers that come about to cover not just America but the world from all times. So, I am sorry if the wording isn't that good; I didn't know how to word it.

    And this question comes as a curiosity question from a friend. It is not originating out of any other thread.

    Are there and African American's or Blacks who hold to Postmillennialism that you know of (consider both Past and Present)?
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    Most blacks I know are Americans

    sealdaSupralapsarian is, if I'm not mistaken... but, AGAIN, he's an American

    Oh, and I know a bunch in South Africa...
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    I forgot to mention that Solomon, Augustine and the Apostle Paul were black :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christusregnat View Post
    I forgot to mention that Solomon, Augustine and the Apostle Paul were black :-)
    The Apostle Paul was a Black Hebrew?
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    I notice you left out Athanasius The African. Bigot. And PS Paul was light brown, Solomon's dad had red hair and his mom was Aryan. Augustine was at least milk chocolate, though. And you didn't mention the Shulamite. She didn't say she was dark, she said she was black.
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    C'mon the Ethiopian eunuch was totally Post-Mill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AThornquist View Post
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    I forgot to mention that Solomon, Augustine and the Apostle Paul were black :-)
    The Apostle Paul was a Black Hebrew?
    Haven't you ever noticed how good his rhymin skills are? Plus, he says "if ye be risen with Christ"
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    I forgot to mention that Solomon, Augustine and the Apostle Paul were black :-)
    The Apostle Paul was a Black Hebrew?
    Haven't you ever noticed how good his rhymin skills are? Plus, he says "if ye be risen with Christ"
    I also hear he was from South-Central Tarsus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimV View Post
    I notice you left out Athanasius The African. Bigot. And PS Paul was light brown, Solomon's dad had red hair and his mom was Aryan. Augustine was at least milk chocolate, though. And you didn't mention the Shulamite. She didn't say she was dark, she said she was black.
    Indeeeed... it must be a reaction to the Government Educational Establishment in the Bay Area... Actually, I knew that I was accepted with the black kids when they called me the racial epithet normally used against their people.

    Have you ever read the pithy proverbs of solomon? They read like a rap tune. Indeed, I did miss Athy, and Shula...

    Everyone knows that Gussy was pure dark chocolate, with a tinge of coffee chips.

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    C'mon the Ethiopian eunuch was totally Post-Mill.
    Well, DUH!? That was too easy of a score; I chose the hard road!
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    Did you mean black hearts or black skins?

    I know a lot of people who have black hearts that are postmil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMcFadden View Post
    Did you mean black hearts or black skins?

    I know a lot of people who have black hearts that are postmil.
    I resemble that remark.
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    I don't think we should impose a label on someone before it was invented.

    I don't understand the one about black hearts/skins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Romans922 View Post
    I don't think we should impose a label on someone before it was invented.
    So, was Paul a Calvinist? Be careful how you answer...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Romans922 View Post
    I don't think we should impose a label on someone before it was invented.

    I don't understand the one about black hearts/skins.
    Black is a new label? Black has always been a color on the scale. Can an Ethiopian change his skin?
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    No, I don't think so. All the ones I know are well educated and hold to the correct doctrine of amil.
    I don't think you understand: the correct amil position IS postmil
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    So, was Paul a Calvinist? Be careful how you answer...
    Calvin was a Paulist
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christusregnat View Post
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    I forgot to mention that Solomon, Augustine and the Apostle Paul were black :-)
    The Apostle Paul was a Black Hebrew?
    Haven't you ever noticed how good his rhymin skills are? Plus, he says "if ye be risen with Christ"
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    I know several who are post-mil.
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    I don't think we should impose a label on someone before it was invented.
    So, was Paul a Calvinist? Be careful how you answer...
    Calvin was a Paulist
    Paulists are papists.
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    I don't think we should impose a label on someone before it was invented.
    So, was Paul a Calvinist? Be careful how you answer...
    Calvin was a Paulist
    Actually, being a Paulist would have to await the rise of German Rationalism, and its offspring, Biblical Theology.

    Calvin's doctrine of the Christian life is not drawn from Paul, but from the entirety of Scripture.

    If the Apostles and prophets were not Calvinists (not in the historical sense, but in the sense of principals applied), then we should abandon our confessions of faith.

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    I don't understand the one about black hearts/skins.
    Black hearts = sinful, wrong, corrupt hearts

    It was a joke, a slam on anyone of any colored skin (e.g., red, white, black, brown, or yellow) who would hold the postmil view instead of the "correct" one.
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    So, was Paul a Calvinist? Be careful how you answer...
    Calvin was a Paulist
    Paulists are papists.
    ...another imitation by Rome's hoards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knoxienne View Post
    The book of Revelation says Christ's feet are the color of bronze and He is certainly postmill.
    Huh?

    Why would you say that he holds a view contrary to the WHOLE New Testament??? Oh, I guess you could say that he is "postmill" in the technical sense that he returns to earth after he rules in heaven for the period referenced in Rev. 20.



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    I believe brother Keon (Anton Brukner) is Postmill if it indeed matters...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamalas View Post
    I know several who are post-mil.
    Like who?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Romans922 View Post
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    I know several who are post-mil.
    Like who?
    Only one (Seal) is on the PB. The others are just people I know personally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christusregnat View Post
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    No, I don't think so. All the ones I know are well educated and hold to the correct doctrine of amil.
    I don't think you understand: the correct amil position IS postmil
    Well, actually, the correct position - for all time - is historic premil. Come on, people, get with the program...
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    What a speedy derailment of an interesting thread.

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    I appreciate curiosity but what is the point of the question?
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    The Apostles were black. We know from the infallible interpretations of the Pentecostalist scholars, that they believed in disco-style worship.

    Seriously................

    I know of black people who will almost certainly be Postmillennialist. The Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland is postmillennialist.

    Therefore the black ministers, elders and membership of that denomination in Zimbabwe - to the extent that such things are preached on, discussed and studied - will be postmillenialist.

    I would have thought the same/similar would be the case for the Free Church of Southern Africa.

    I don't know any of these black brothers personally.
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    I am so confused regarding this thread I don't even know what to ask.
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    I am so confused regarding this thread I don't even know what to ask.
    Here, this thread will clear it all up for you, Andrew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua View Post
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    I am so confused regarding this thread I don't even know what to ask.
    Here, this thread will clear it all up for you, Andrew.
    Don't go there, Andrew! Just don't!
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    Why we believe what we believe is an interesting, albeit complex, question. But, this question is driven more by demographics and numbers. During the middle and latter half of the 20th century, most popular Christianity was dispensational premil with most Reformed denoms tending toward the amil. Since a disproportionate percentage of African American Christians were in the evangelical mainstream, few would be postmil. The efforts of Gentry, DeMar, et. al. have had an impact on Reformed circles, albeit not in areas that have seen great numbers of African Americans. Even some of the numerically significant "new Calvinists" are of the Piper type which are historic premil. How many BIG churches are postmil? I am assuming that the majority report among conservative Christians is still overwhelmingly dispi.
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    Why do you want to know, Andrew?

    Certainly the more black people that adopt the postmillennial stance, the more likely the message will get out, through the media of rap, hip hop, cool jazz and disco.
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