Hi all, normally I would hate to do this but I can't seem to find ANY material regarding the mid/post tribulation rapture positions.

The only post-tribulationist I know who has written a book on it is Bob Gundry.

Who should I be looking for? It seems the mid/post trib positions are not as widely upheld but yet why does it warrant so much responses from the pre-trib camp? Who are the prominent mid/post guys?

By the way, all this is for a paper I'm writing.

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Ewen
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Assemblies of God Bible College
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Your paper sounds like a pretrib dispensational topic. J. Dwight Pentecost would probaby cover it in Things to Come. Respected premil authors who are not dispensaional include Donald Grey Barnhouse and George Eldon Ladd.

Most of the people on this board are not in that camp. We are either amil or post-mil. We follow
A Case for Amillennialism by Kim Riddlebarger or
He Shall Have Dominion: A Postmillennial Eschatology 3rd edition by Ken Gentry, Jr.

We don't follow dispensationalists such as Tim Layhae, Hal Lindsay, or John Hagee. Period.

I don't know of resources in Singaoore where you are. This is such a huge topic. Are you set with this topic or can you change it? When is it due? There are a lot of resources on the millennial dreams blog listed in my signature.

Cordially,

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Plant City, Florida


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Hi Carol,

I'm familiar with D. Pentecost's position as well as Walvoord, Horton etc. They are all dispensational pretrib. What I'm wondering is are there any midtrib or posttrib guys around?

I know PB is mainly amil/postmil, I myself am amil. It's just I'm dictated by the topic and have to cover the arguments raised by the midtrib/posttrib position within the dispensational premil camp and am hard pressed to find anyone who seems to fit this position.

I believe the mid-trib position is argued by folks like Robert Van Kampen and Marvin Rosenthal. Some refer to the position as "pre wrath".

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Tom Albrecht
Elder, Covenant URCNA, New Holland, PA.

"When I find the time, I'm going to write the social history of bourbon."

So your school is dispensational premil and you have to write a paper against the midtrib/posttrib positon from that dispensational premil position and you are amil?!

From the new book, A Case for Historic Premillennialism, ed. By Blomberg and Chung of Denver Seminary, p. 64, comes a footnote of what you are looking for.

“Historically, the most common belief by far has been that of a postribulational rapture: Christ returns after the tribulation to gather his people together, and indeed, this return is one and the same as his parousia, ushering in judgment day. A few have argued for a midtribulation rapture, based on their interpretation of the resurrection and ascension of the two witnesses in Revelation 11. Footnote”

Footnote says “See esp. Gleason L. Archer, “The Case for the MidSeventieth-Week Rapture Position,” in Archer et al., Three Views on the Rapture.”

So if you are able to get Three Views on the Rapture that might help.

Cordially,

Thanks Carol! I found the book Three Views on the Rapture logged in the OPAC system in the library just that it's currently on loan (I think) or missing (hopefully not).

I also found Robert Gundry's book on PostTribulation. Useful stuff.

Thanks for the links! I found Gundry through searching for Archer.

Pre-wrath is not Mid-Trib. I have Van Kampen's books.

The Rapture

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Gundry officiated at my wedding 35 years ago (as well as teaching me 32 units of my college career). He writes a post-trib book from a dispensational hermeneutic.

Ladd is the standard post-trib from the historic premillennial viewpoint. When I had him in seminary the man was getting frail and very old. However, pretty much everyone cites him on the subject.

BTW - Ladd complained to me that Gundry's book was terrible. "I hear that he wrote it during seminary and left it sitting on the shelf until now. He should have kept it on the shelf." That is vintage ascerbic Ladd! Frankly, if one wanted to be dispensational and post-trib, Gundry's work is definitive. He was the smartest human being I ever met.

A new book on the historic premill view is supposed to be excellent and would be worth considering (Craig Blomberg, Sung Wook Chung, eds.).

For my money, Riddlebarger pulled me out of the historic premill view pretty decisively.

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