BTW, amillenialism sees eternity as part of history so all of history leads up to final judgment and new creation.

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At this time, I lean toward Postmillennial eschatology.

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It does?

Where?
The Second London Baptist Confession of 1689

As I like to say: the fact that, throughout church history, the church has teased out three basic eschatalogical positions from the same biblical material (pre-, post-, and a-) should be a hint that we don't know as much about the endtimes as we like to think we do. It also shows that, in the Bible, God has not given us enough information to be able to figure it all out in detail (Jesus Himself said so explicitly) but He has given us just enough information so that we need to live by faith that He knows what He's doing.

All of which should lead to humility on our part. Whichever position you hold, do so sincerely, but do so lightly. We could all be wrong!

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I think that list was put together when the author was newly amil. IIRC a few of the names were subject to question. I too thought Carroll was postmil (a common position in the late 19th century) and a SBC pastor friend of mine recently said he was too.

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I am tentatively amil but have a lot more reading to do on the subject.

Yes, sounds like pre-trib.

This is why I hold to all three positions simultaneously - "schizomillienialism"

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Thomas Weddle
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The confession does not speak of a future millenial kingdom. Therefore, it teaches a 'realized' millenium by defalt!

How's that?

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A postmil, then, does not pray for the hastening of 'the time of His second coming', but for the hastening of the dawn of the Millenium.

What 'aforementioned' things? The destruction of Satan? What?

I believe that we are in the millennium now. It stretches from 70 AD to Satan's little season - which, I believe, is a revolt against Christendom.

The aforementioned things include the calling of the Jews and the fulness of the Gentiles being brought into Christ's kingdom - the Puritan interpretation of Romans 11 rules out an amillennial understanding of the WLC 191.

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But in amillennialism, the wicked, rather than the righteous, mostly have dominion in history, thus they are the earthly victors.

However, I think we better just agree to differ as we are walking round in circles.

KMK,

How can you say that the 1689 Baptist Confession teaches a Amill Position?

Have you ever heard of Hansard Knollys, Pastor of Broken Wharf Church, London? His name is FIRST among the SIGNATORIES of the 1689 Baptist Confession and played a really large role in the Confession and if my memory serves me right the 1689 Confession and the General Assembly was convened at his church at Broken Wharf and the Confession signed there in 1689...

He was Clearly Historic (Covenantal) PreMillennial and NOT AMill...

Let me quote from him out of An Exposition of the Book of Revelation, 1688....

4. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgement was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years

By [thrones] here we are to understand the kingdom and dominion of our Lord Jesus Christ, and of his suffering, conquering and overcoming saints, (Rev. 11:15; Dan. 7:27; Matthew 19:28; Rev. 3:21 and 12:11). [And judgement was given unto them.] That is, to the righteous, (Ezek. 23:45) to the saints, (1 Cor. 6:2–3) [And I saw the souls (animas, not the bodies) of them that were beheaded,] that is, suffered death [for the witness of Jesus,] (Rev. 6:9–11 and 11:7) and for the Word of God, the holy scripture; [And which had not worshipped the beast:] that is, had not taken the oath of supremacy to the beast; [neither to his image:] popish kings, as head of the church, are refused to swear away the headship of our Lord Jesus Christ, (Col. 1:18) [Neither had received his mark in their foreheads or in their hands.] See chapter 13 vv. 16,17 [And they lived and reigned with Christ these thousand years.] (Rom. 8:17–18, 2 Tim. 2:11–12).

5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power; but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

By [the rest of the dead,] here we may understand (per antithesin, and in contradistinction to them that had been killed, martyred, and slain; into whom the spirit of life from God had again entered) all those dead souls, who had worshipped the beast and his image, and had received his mark, whose names are not written in the Lamb’s Book of Life, [until these thousand years were finished, (or ended.) This is the first resurrection.] That is, the raising of the slain witnesses, (Rev. 11:7–11). See the exposition thereof, (v. 6). Five things are here said of this first resurrection, viz. first, they are holy, that is, sanctified persons, who lived godly in Christ Jesus, in times of persecution, (2 Tim. 3:12). Secondly, they are blessed, (Matthew 5:8) with all spiritual blessings in heavenly things, in Christ Jesus, (Eph. 1:3). Thirdly, [The second death hath no power over them.] They have all escaped the damnation of Hell, (Rom. 8:1–2, vv. 14, 15 of this chapter).

7. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8. And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the numbers of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of Heaven, and devoured them.

10. And the devil that deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever.

[These thousand years being expired, Satan shall be loosed,] and his instruments permitted, by his deceiving the nations, (v. 8 called Gog and Magog) to gather together, from east, west, north and south, [And to compass the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city:] i.e., the new Jerusalem, and the general assembly and church of God, (Heb. 12:22–23 and Rev. 21:2–3) [And fire came down from God, out of Heaven, and devoured them.] (2 Thess. 1:5–6) as it did (Ezek. 39:6) verse 10 declares the final doom of the devil. [And the devil that deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the false beast and the prophets are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever.]

11. And I saw a great white Throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heavens fled away, and there was found no place for them.

Here John had a vision and revelation, of the Day of Judgement, (Jude v. 6 and Heb. 6:2) [I saw a great white throne;] which signifies the glory and majesty of our Lord Jesus Christ at his second coming, (Heb. 9:28) which will be with power and great glory, (Matthew 24:30) then we shall all stand before the Judgement Seat of Christ, (Rom. 14:10–12 and 2 Cor. 5:10) whom John saw sit upon the white Throne; [From whose face the earth and the heavens fled away.] That is, they were dissolved, (2 Pet. 3:4–13) [And there was found no place for them:] for they must give place unto the new heaven, and the new earth, (Rev. 21:1).

12. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the Books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the Book of Life; and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books according to their works.

The throne being placed, and the judge being set on the throne, John [saw the dead, small and great stand before God]. That is, Jesus Christ, God-Man, (Acts 17:31) [And the books were opened] by these books we are to understand the bible, the holy scripture of truth, God’s statute book; that is, the books of the Old and New Testament, (Rom. 2:12–16) [And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life.] that is, of election unto salvation, (Phil. 4:3) [And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.] (2 Cor. 5:10) whereby is revealed the just and righteous proceedings of Jesus Christ in judgement; for the wicked shall receive their reward, according to their evil deeds; and the righteous shall receive their reward of grace, as God hath promised them, according to their good deeds, (Matt. 25:34–40) but not for them.

13. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it: and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire: this is the second death.
By sea, death, and hell, here we are to understand the places where the bodies and souls of the dead were held and kept until this day of judgement: [And they were judged every man according to their works.] that is, according to their sinful thoughts, words, and deeds, (Jude vv. 6–15).
[Verse 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire: this is the second death.] this lake of fire is that Gehenna, into which the dragon, the beast and the false prophet, were cast. See v. 10 and Matthew 25:31–46.

15. And whosoever was not found written in the Book of Life, was cast into the lake of fire.

By [the Book of Life,] we are to understand God’s election unto everlasting salvation, or eternal life and glory; there is a remnant according to the election of grace, (Rom. 11:5, Rom. 8:30, and Eph. 1:3–6). Those that were [not found written in the Book of Life,] are all the non-elect, viz. wicked and ungodly persons; the workers of iniquity, who have lived in the world without God and Christ, and died in their sins; viz. all impenitent unbelievers, that obey not the gospel, (2 Thess. 1:6–10).

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According to the chart on the OP, what you believe is called 'amillenialism'.

So long as Christ has a human body, history will continue forever. Every act of regeneration, and every work of sanctification in believers and the church, is a victory for King Jesus in the present course of history. Every time a sinner is snatched from the grasp of the devil, Christ wins. It all goes back to how you define "victory."

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This may have been his belief but he did not write it into the confession.

And this brings up an important point. Obviously the reformers did not see a millenial position as 'confessional'. The confession does not 'explicitely' teach a view on the millenium. Because of that, if one were to read the confession without any presuppositions, I think one would conclude that it was amil.