I have tried to stay fairly clear of the controversy surrounding these issues as I believe it to be a "milk teaching" issue (see Heb 6:1-2) - that being said, I have recently been skimming articles, etc to get a better "feel" for the various positions.

On wiki I saw this graphic that I thought seemed to be a very good high-level summary of the stances.



I'd like to use these categories to get insight into the views on the PB.

I lean toward amillennial, so that is what I am choosing, but I am not 100% convinced.

As folks are willing, I'd also like to get a few links that help clarify the various positions.

I have made the poll public, because I am interested in who holds to the various positions.

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Tentatively amillennial. I would like to study more about postmillennialism.

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John J.
Member Christ Prebyterian Church (OPC)
Salt Lake City, Utah
www.christpres.net

The postmillenial bit on the picture is not 100% accurate; there are different views among postmils about what the millennium is:

1. Some hold its a golden-age within the NT, as is represented in the graphic.

2. Some hold its the whole NT age, as with Amils.

3. Some hold its from 70 AD until a rebellion against Christendom "Satan's little season".

The main difference between amillennial and postmillennials is the latter believes that the gospel will advance much more in the NT age.

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Daniel Ritchie
Saintfield, Northern Ireland - Queen's University, Belfast:History/Politics
Member of Dromara Reformed Presbyterian Church of Ireland (Covenanter)

What Daniel said.

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member, First Congregational Church, (CCCC) Cresco, IA
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which would make them amills, right?

This is the x-preterist position? If so, what is x, please?

can you expand a little more on this or give a link?

or - even better - can you take the graphic and modify it to reflect any additional stance(s)?

I am really interested in getting a good representative view.

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Husband of Emilia
Member: First Reformed Presbyterian Church of Durham (RPCNA) - Durham, NC
Student: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, German Literature and Classics

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2. No it would not make them amils as they believe in the world-wide advance of the gospel and in the Christianization of societies, which is not the traditional amil view. Moreover, postmillennialism literally means "after the millennium", so even if they share the same view as the amils on the duration of the millennium, they are still postmillennial as they believe Christ returns after the millennium.

3. Some partial preterists would hold this view, others would not.

Amillennialism has traditionally believed that there will not be any extensive conversion to Christ, or a world wide Christianization of culture and society. Some optimistic amils like Cornelius Venema would be closer to postmillennialits in this regard. While postmillennialists believe that, over the course of history, the majority of people will be converted, and the majority of nations will be Christian. In other words, they believe Christ has the victory in history.

Sorry, that is beyond my capabilities.

I voted amil because that is what the confession teaches.

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Not the Westminster Standards, read WLC Q&A 191.

Yes, Daniel is right the WCoF does not teach an amillenial position.

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Stephen Welch
PCA Teaching Elder
Nova Scotia

Indeed, amillennialism is more of a 20th century teaching; although some would say that Augustine held it.

Uh-oh!

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Meg
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Member, Intown Presbyterian Church,PCA, Portland, OR

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(because I know this will be an interesting, yet irenic exchange of ideas... )

historic premil.

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J. B. Atken
John Knox PCA
Layman, M.A. student at Louisiana College

Question 191: What do we pray for in the second petition?

Answer: In the second petition (which is, Thy kingdom come), acknowledging ourselves and all mankind to be by nature under the dominion of sin and Satan, we pray, that the kingdom of sin and Satan may be destroyed, the gospel propagated throughout the world, the Jews called, the fullness of the Gentiles brought in; the church furnished with all gospel officers and ordinances, purged from corruption, countenanced and maintained by the civil magistrate: that the ordinances of Christ may be purely dispensed, and made effectual to the converting of those that are yet in their sins, and the confirming, comforting, and building up of those that are already converted: that Christ would rule in our hearts here, and hasten the time of his second coming, and our reigning with him forever: and that he would be pleased so to exercise the kingdom of his power in all the world, as may best conduce to these ends.

Why isn't there a "Boo" button to correspond to "Thanks"? Just kidding.

That is a great idea!