With Pope Benedict visiting America the question came to my mind is The Pope the AntiChrist? Also if The Pope is The Anti Christ how would this affect a person who is an amilinialist and believes Christ currently reigns?

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Aaron
Independent Baptist
Holland MI
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We've discussed this on the board quite a bit. I myself don't believe he is. It's even been rumored that Joseph and I are beer drinking buddies. This is just a rumor. It's also a rumor that he's coming to my house to drink Franzies and play Wii tomorrow night. He's bringing the 60 inch Popatron screen. I couldn't be more excited. (At least that's the rumor.)

I'll stop goofing around now and let the others get on with their Pope trashing. Pitch forks up!!!!

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He is anti-Christ (lower case A) in that he teaches a different Gospel. As for an issue like this being a conflict for those like myself who believe Christ has already begun His Holy Dominion, I don't see it, St. Paul spoke of anti-Christ after Christ was Taken into Heaven, part of the whole now/not yet thing YES Christ's rule has begun, but the New Era in fullness (the chaff is among the wheat, it is not burned......yet) And no! I am not an Amill alarmist (our answer to he Rapture Ready Folk) I DO think we are close to Our Lords final purging of His Earth.

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There are, indeed several threads on this topic. But it is helpful to be reminded again with the presence of the pope here in America, lest many unsuspecting people be fooled. I, for one, do agree with the Confession's statement regarding the pope being the man of lawlessness of II Thessalonians 2. I am not convinced that this is inherently incompatible with an amillennial position in and of itself.

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Rev. Adam King
Minister without a call (WPCUS)
Stated Supply: Reformed Presbyterian Church
Sterling, KS

Yes. As mentioned, there are been many threads on this subject. Here is some reading for consideration:

Links and Downloads Manager - Theological Links - Christ and Antichrist -- Samuel Cassels - The PuritanBoard
Links and Downloads Manager - Revelation & Eschatology - Eighteen Sermons on 2 Thessalonians 2 -- Thomas Manton - The PuritanBoard
Links and Downloads Manager - Theological Links - Francis Turretin's 7th Disputation on Antichrist - The PuritanBoard
Links and Downloads Manager - Theological Links - Of Antichrist and His Ruin -- John Bunyan - The PuritanBoard
Links and Downloads Manager - Confession of Faith - The Papacy is Antichrist -- J.A. Wylie - The PuritanBoard
Links and Downloads Manager - Theological Links - The Roman Pontiff is that Antichrist -- William Whitaker - The PuritanBoard

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Andrew Myers
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The pope is not a anti-christ, he is the anti-christ!!!!!

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Yes, absolutely. Ratsinger is the anti-Christ as the WCOF so clearly states.

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Stephen Welch
PCA Teaching Elder
Nova Scotia

That's OK, the last pope evidently thought Bush was the antichrist . . .

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John Paul should know. He is close to perfection on his road to sainthood

Is the Pope the Antichrist?


Here is Martin Luther's answer:

"Since the Pope is a heretic, and idolater, Antichrist, and the red whore reeking with the blood of the pious, therefore we will not admit him into our presence...In fine, to make a treaty between us and the Pope, is to make a treaty between God and Belial. Nothing will come of it..."

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Sterling Harmon
Coventry, CT
PCA
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"Whatever is laudable in our works proceeds from the grace of God."
-- John Calvin, Institutes III:xv.3.

"Our Lord God must be a good man, to be fond of worthless fellows. I cannot like them, and yet I, myself, am one."
-- Martin Luther, Table Talk

How many of "The Antichrists" can there be? I thought THE Antichrist kinda shows that there is ONE.

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Andrew
Husband to Dena
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MDiv graduate from Reformed Theological Seminary, Jackson, MS
Pastor (elect) of Tchula Presbyterian Church, Tchula, MS

"What do you think about when you are not thinking about anything else? This is what you worship!"

The office of the Bishop of Rome is the office of Antichrist.

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Seth Stark
Member, Communion Presbyterian Church (ARP), Irvine, CA
Biola University, Graduate Student, M.A. - Science and Religion
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So you are saying Oprah is not The Antichrist?

I believe in the pope, binder and looser in heaven, earth, and hell, and in Simony, his only son our lord, who was conceived by the canon law and born of the Romish church. Under his power truth suffered, was crucified, dead and buried, and through the ban descended to hell, rose again through the gospel and Paul and was brought to Charles, sitting at his right hand, who in future is to rule over spiritual and wordly things. I believe in the canon law, in the Romish church, in the destruction of faith and of the communion of saints, in indulgences both for the remission of guilt and penalty in purgatory, in the resurrection of the flesh in an Epicurean life, because given to us by the Holy Father, the pope. Amen.

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Gil Garcia
Rehoboth Reformed Church (RCUS)
La Habra, CA


"Indeed, one might say that as far as the doctrine of justification
is concerned, if you are not on the road to Wittenberg or Geneva, then the old proverb is indeed true: all roads lead to Rome." Carl Trueman

Can I forward this to the Vatican?

It is funny that the confessions are generally seen as being sacrosanct apart from aspects of RPW and the Pope.

I do not understand why people have such a problem with the office of the Pope being an organ of antichrist, if the role of antichrist in the bible is examined it is not really that grounbreaking to identify the Pope with antichrist.

I feel that a retreat from the confessional position here is really sending the wrong message to roman catholics, the roman church is not an acceptable institution.

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Mike
London City Presbyterian Church
London
England

"Surely, we wish to be orthodox, but we must first learn what real orthodoxy is. Surely, we wish to be progressive, but we must first have a basis to progress from."

I know it is funny, but what is truly sad, is that both America and England need to here it, rather than the Vatican.

Great quote! It is a travesty that the U.S. welcomes him with open arms. No nation should recognize him as a soverign over church or country. I wish more Presbyterians would stand with our Protestant forefathers. The word Protestant by its definition means those who protest. We protest that which opposes the gospel of salvation by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.

John in his epistle states that there are many anti-Christ's that have gone out into the world. He indicates that it is the spirit of the anti-Christ. Presbyterians have have historically held that the papacy is anti-Christ. This was certainly the position of the Puritans who wrote the WCOF.

I will pay for the postage